Thank you. Chile gets the Trianon treatment in the peace and the Russia treatment afterwards. It is going to take a *long* time before they stick their head out of their shell again. Chile actually reminds me of the ads for "Hero Wars" you see all over youtube. Starting with 999, gets kicked down the stairs and by the time the player gets to "choose", they are at 3.

Antofagasta even reclaimed will *continue* to have a significantly different culture than the capital. It will be interesting to see whether their elected officials from Antofagasta can manage to travel as much as people might otherwise expect between Antofagasta and the Bolivian capital *simply due to altitude sickness*!

Just have the US Mexican peace treaty negotiations last for a few (dozen) years. :)
Antofagasta was mostly Chileans even before 1879 - that will very likely not be the case anymore, to say the least.
You could make it like the Saar Protectorate in the post-WW1 era - the US probably isn't enthusiastic about occupying such a large area when they already have a whole Confederacy to handle. Mexico gets full control of the territory again after 20 years or so, and the whole ceremony becomes part of the slow reconciliation between the countries.
I found persuasive @Meshakhad's suggestion to just have the US get a naval base a la Guantanamo at Magdalena Bay so nobody else can have it and then call it a day, which is 95% the direction I'll wind up going I think.
 
The Treaty of Lima (1915) was a treaty signed on June 17, 1915 between Chile and the Axis Powers of the United States, Argentina, Peru and Bolivia that formally ended Chile's participation in the Great American War. Chile, one of the four Bloc Sud powers, had entered the war in September of 1913 with a surprise attack against the Chimbote naval base where parts of the US Pacific Fleet and most of the Peruvian Navy were docked, destroying them together; seven months later, two American fleets sank the majority of the Chilean Navy at the Desventuradas in the Eastern Pacific. From then on, Chile had been on its back heels and suffered defeats on land starting in November of 1914 at Iquique (November), Antofagasta (December), and La Serena (early February). The advance of the Amero-Peruvian army inland from La Serena and the Argentines from the Andean passes, in addition to the collapse of the Chilean government of Juan Luis Sanfuentes and a three-way standoff over the fate of the capital between a conservative, liberal and military faction, effectively ended Chile's ability to defend itself.

The Treaty itself was designed to humiliate Chile, broadcast to other Bloc Sud members what would happen if they fought to the bitter end, and in the case of the South American members of the Axis correct what they viewed as territorial gains made by Chilean aggression during the Saltpeter War (1879-80) and a near-war in the Andes thereafter (1881). All of Chile north of the 25th parallel was ceded to Bolivia and Peru, with the latter regaining its territories up to the Loa River. Argentina, meanwhile, made small adjustments in the Andes to enjoy better control over critical mountain passes but then absorbed the entirety of southern Patagonia and the Tierra del Fuego by setting a new border at the Deseado and Baker Rivers, both of which flow from the same source at Leandro Alem Lake (at the time, Lake Buenos Aires). The United States set strict limits on allowable Chilean naval tonnage and the size of the Chilean Army, and then extracted ruinous financial penalties from Santiago.

The Treaty is viewed as the direct precursor to the Chilean Civil War that erupted soon after its completion, and the economic dislocation from the Great American War, civil war and punitive financial conditions imposed upon Chile took the country from one of the wealthiest per capita in the Americas (albeit grossly unequal) to one of the poorest, with it becoming one of the few South American states with net outmigration in the 1910s and 1920s. This crippling poverty and political instability was a direct cause of the final rise and consolidation of the Socialist Republic in 1924, which would last for the ensuing sixty-six years.
Haiti with Penguins indeed!
 
Which ends when Mexico breaks the treaty under the Prime Ministership of either Plutarco Elías Calles or Nicolás Rodríguez Carrasco and remilitarizes it.

The only question is whether the US would care if Guatemala became part of Mexico after the "conexión". :)
Hadn't heard of this guy but I'm sure I can find a use for him somewhere...
 
Antofagasta was mostly Chileans even before 1879 - that will very likely not be the case anymore, to say the least.

I found persuasive @Meshakhad's suggestion to just have the US get a naval base a la Guantanamo at Magdalena Bay so nobody else can have it and then call it a day, which is 95% the direction I'll wind up going I think.
Wow, that's the middle of nowhere...
 
I found persuasive @Meshakhad's suggestion to just have the US get a naval base a la Guantanamo at Magdalena Bay so nobody else can have it and then call it a day, which is 95% the direction I'll wind up going I think.
I like that idea. I doubt that Mexico cares so much about the actual details of the plan, so long as territorial integrity is maintained. If the US got access to Veracruz, then it'd become more of an issue, but Baja California is hilariously out of the way from the rest of the country.
 
This crippling poverty and political instability was a direct cause of the final rise and consolidation of the Socialist Republic in 1924, which would last for the ensuing sixty-six years.
Ah that’s a shame, I thought it can last to modern day.
So Belgium has its revolution begin before Chile's ends?
I think @KingSweden24 had already implied that Kingdom of Belgium survived the CEW, so we gonna watch sadistic Belgium royal family for a while.
 
Wow, that's the middle of nowhere...
But it’s a great natural harbor and uncomfortably near the sea lanes to Nicaragua
I'm sure you will. Mexico can only roll 20s for so long. (Yes, I know you have your thumb on the scale)
Mexico will have issues before long; though more of the rolling 10s variety
I like that idea. I doubt that Mexico cares so much about the actual details of the plan, so long as territorial integrity is maintained. If the US got access to Veracruz, then it'd become more of an issue, but Baja California is hilariously out of the way from the rest of the country.
Right, exactly. A lease is not selling the entire peninsula
So Belgium has its revolution begin before Chile's ends?
Perhaps…
Ah that’s a shame, I thought it can last to modern day.

I think @KingSweden24 had already implied that Kingdom of Belgium survived the CEW, so we gonna watch sadistic Belgium royal family for a while.
Elements of it will remain, just not single-party control, which is what “Socialist Republic” largely refers to

Yeah me too. Would have been interesting seeing them try to interact with a 2023 world. Them falling in 1990 feels like missed potential but so it goes.
One thing I’m toying with ITTL is a more explicitly statist conservatism, and earlier (a la Bismarck), so the need for socialism as an alternative to solving material needs of the working class is dampened a bit. This also means that socialists and conservatives often compete for the same votes, while different flavors of liberalism appeals to the bourgeois, and you’d see blue-red coalitions as often as yellow-red or yellow-blue ones

Not sure how workable that is but it’d make for a very goofy 20th century and present day politics, which would be interesting (to me at least)
 
I do wonder whether the leaders of the Socialist Republic will stick to “socialism in one country” or whether or not they’ll try to export revolution along the Cuban model, it might become a source of instability. At the very least we may see instability in its neighbors which will probably be much worse when you have rebel groups backed by the Chilean government. Then there’s the question of what Central America will look like.
 
Elements of it will remain, just not single-party control, which is what “Socialist Republic” largely refers to
How democratic will post-revolution Chile be? I can’t imagined it being total dictatorship like the soviet, since Chile already had democratic institutions for decades.
 
I do wonder whether the leaders of the Socialist Republic will stick to “socialism in one country” or whether or not they’ll try to export revolution along the Cuban model, it might become a source of instability. At the very least we may see instability in its neighbors which will probably be much worse when you have rebel groups backed by the Chilean government. Then there’s the question of what Central America will look like.
That’ll be a big debate within Chile, certainly. Not having a big Marxist patron like the USSR (though Cuba of course often charted her own course and told Moscow to fuck off, like in Ethiopia) would have an impact on Chilean adventurism but Bolivia and Peru are fertile ground for exporting a more moderate brand of revolutionary socialism
How democratic will post-revolution Chile be? I can’t imagined it being total dictatorship like the soviet, since Chile already had democratic institutions for decades.
Def more democratic than the USSR of OTL was, though the Chilean democracy of the Old Republic was fairly illiberal and the Socialist Republic will basically be trading an old right-wing oligarchy controlling the levers of various internally democratic institutions for a left-wing one
 
I like that idea. I doubt that Mexico cares so much about the actual details of the plan, so long as territorial integrity is maintained. If the US got access to Veracruz, then it'd become more of an issue, but Baja California is hilariously out of the way from the rest of the country.
Hilariously out of the way in terms of land, in the middle of everything by sea. And some *great* barrier Islands to protect it. My primary concern in terms of the US being able to keep a base there is fresh water.

In regards to being noticed by the day to day Mexican, this is the anti-Veracruz. (This is the difference in the USA losing a war and the country that defeats them taking Long Island, New York or Nunivak Island, Alaska.
 
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