And even him has his defenders that picture him as a scapegoat for Caporetto (well in part true) and that he was not that bad as general, etc. etc. ;well as many things the situation is not black and white, the man was not a complete idiot as was a keen organizator as the very rushed modernization of the italian army and the quickly transfers of the army from the french border to the Isonzo front showed, not considering that the terrain was really constraining his capacity. Said that he was an abrasive, 'never my fault but always my merit' guy that not tollerated any dissent and was ready to blame everyone (included his soldiers) for any failure, not considering is over the top disciplinary action that really done numbers to the italian morale and the politics life after the war
Sequel de Mayo (Cinco de Mayo, Vol. II)
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Cadorna, not Cardona.
And I'm curious how the Author is going to deal with the immense problems of terrain and short borders that is going to cause any attack is going to have between Italy and its land neighbors.
(In fact given that the technology of the CEW is going to be *very* close to OTL WWI, I'd suggestion that Germany and Italy play defense on the FG, FI, &AI borders and instead put all offensive troops to breaking though Galicia into Hungary Proper.)
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The CEU will probably become an stronger political force but I don't think it will become the same hegemonic force as the CDs. I suspect that the UL won't be very long for this world but I don't think all of its components will rally behind the CEU. Anti-clerical liberals may either join the PRI or the smaller republican parties or they might stand apart. I think we'll continue to see an high degree of political fragmentation between the PSI, the CEU and other parties of the Liberal right and center.
It's very easy to see a lot of the post WW1 instability appearing in this timeline as well. Much of it is because there's no political consolidation the same way there was after WW2. Incorporating the clericals into government is definitely a good idea from the standpoint of regime stability but it may be more difficult to govern going forward with the government facing opposition from both the Liberals and the Socialists. I think this is what helps lead to greater regionalism not less with different political parties dominating different regions of the country and then pursuing their own region-specific policies without too much direction from the center.
It's very easy to see a lot of the post WW1 instability appearing in this timeline as well. Much of it is because there's no political consolidation the same way there was after WW2. Incorporating the clericals into government is definitely a good idea from the standpoint of regime stability but it may be more difficult to govern going forward with the government facing opposition from both the Liberals and the Socialists. I think this is what helps lead to greater regionalism not less with different political parties dominating different regions of the country and then pursuing their own region-specific policies without too much direction from the center.
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One of those Black warlord States is likely going to be in Northwest Mississippi between the Memphis suburbs and just north of Vicksburg and stretching east about 40 miles. Use an otherwise normal riverboat transporting Corn from Des Moines to New Orleans and without the Confederates able to stop boats like this, they'll be able to smuggle in just about anything smaller than an OTL Sherman tank. Yeah, the confederates *might* be able to stop that with Infrared detection, but that's generations away at this point. The right comparisons here might be the ability for the Soviets to give weaponry to the Chinese communists in 1946&1947 or the supply of weapons to the ANC from the African front line states.
The combination of the population being heavily Negro due to the fertility of the land for plantations and the easy smuggling of weapons down the Mississippi makes that just about a no go zone for any white Confederate soldier for *decades*.
As if.
We all know Cardorna is a military genius. Why else would you attack the same river valley 12 times and introduce Decimation. /s
Black Adder put it best; To paraphrase We've failed 11 times before so obviously the enemy won't be expecting us to do it again and that's how we win!
Randy
Just gonna defer to Dr. Deveraux here. He skewers this moron better than anyone else lol.
My personal favorite paragraph (but the whole thing is worth the read. Also, italics are in the original):
"Luigi Cadorna refused to learn. This is a general that launched effectively the same doomed battle eleven times, in the same place, in roughly the same way, against the same opponent, achieving nothing each time and yet opting to do it again. Now one might say this isn’t entirely fair because the eleven battles of the Isonzo were not in exactly the same place; the active zone of the front was about 30 miles wide. But the terrain, materiel and technological conditions which made an assault at any given point along those 30 miles pointless made an assault at every point along the line pointless. If I attempt to punch through a brick wall, break my right hand and then move ten feet over and punch the same brick wall with my left hand, we would not credit me for learning."
If nothing else, whatever his skills as a logistician might have been, him even still being in command by Caporetto is inexcusable
All Quiet on the Alpine Front
And, yeah, that’s sort of the initially strategy, though there will need to be some kind of press to keep Austria out of Silesia and Bavaria
Yeah, I’m not thinking the UEC/PPI as the same as DC; the survival of right-liberals and radicals as their own force forecloses on that.
You’d still probably have some regionalism (even just having Trento without Sudtirol, or parts of Istria postwar necessitated that to say nothing of Sicily/Sardinia) but not quite as bad as OTL
In the Confederacy, but not of it.
This was a terrific read, thank you!
Yep: the Mississippi River valley is never again going to be fully under the control of the federal government without some kind of autonomy arrangement.
Out of curiosity, did you only reffer to him by his surname to avoid having to set a new first name for him? since iirc he was named after Benito Juarez, who ITTL is, well, not as successiful. I love it if so.
I wonder if we will finally get a timeline where Mussolini remains a socialist.
And even without that. The question is whether the US will put *any* sunset on their control of the Mississippi river given the *INSANELY* bad results of that in the Treaty of Havana. (Or if they do, I expect it to be set for 3,000 years after the Sun burns out.)
A la the Royal Lives Clause that you see sometimes in contracts lol.
Many local sheriff's and white people of importance in the Confederacy will field their own personal paramilitary units post war. Some may be like warlords or organized crime collecting taxes and being involved in various rackets.
I don’t mean “artillery range of the Mississippi River,” I mean “the majority black regions within a hundred-odd miles of the Mississippi.”
They’re going to have some sort of special status right to the present.
Ideally they will, this is all speculation and @KingSweden24 probably hasn't even decided his actual choice yet I'd imagine u.u
Well yea nothing I say is canon of course. I’m just betting, lol.