List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

Scenario: Charles Brandon dies in 1520 - Mary Tudor marries Charles V.

Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1539) m. Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a), Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1484: d.1520) (b), Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1500: d.1558) (c)

1b) Henry Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1516: d.1522)​
2b) Frances Brandon (b.1517: d.1565) m. Alessandro de' Medici, Duke of Florence (b.1510: d.1537) (a), Cosimo I de' Medici (b.1519: d.1558) (b)​
1a) Lorenzo III de' Medici, Duke of Florence (b.1535) m. Catherine, Archduchess of Austria (b.1533) (a)​
1a) Maria de' Medici (b.1559)​
2a) Lorenzo IV de' Medici, Duke of Florence (b.1562)​
3a) Stillborn Son (c.1564)​
4a) Luigi de' Medici (b.1566)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1567)​
6a) Giovanni de' Medici (b.1570)​
2a) Clarice de' Medici (b.1537) m. Guglielmo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (b.1538: d.1587) (a)​
1a) Francesco Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (b.1562)​
3b) Maria de' Medici, Abbess (b.1540: d.1601)​
- never married, had no issue
4b) Stillborn Son (c.1543)​
5b) Giovanni de' Medici, Cardinal (b.1544: d.1575)​
- never married, had no issue
6b) Stillborn Son (c.1548)​
7b) Octavio de' Medici (b.1550: d.1550)​
8b) Virginia de' Medici (b.1554: d.1554)​
9b) Isabella de' Medici (b.1557) m. Guilio Farnese, Duke of Parma (b.1549)​
1a) Vittoria Farnese (b.1577)​
2a) Emmanuel Farnese, Duke of Parma (b.1580)​
3a) Ricardo Farnese (b.1583: d.1585)​
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1585)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1587)​
6a) Luigi Farnese (b.1590)​
7a) Guilia Farnese (b.1592)​
3b) Eleanor Brandon (b.1519: d.1544) m. Henry Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1517: d.1567) (a)​
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1538)​
2a) John Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1540: d.1610) m. Elizabeth I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1533) (a)​
1a) Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1556) m. Magdalena of Burgundy (b.1563) (a)​
- had issue​
2a) Arthur Grey, Duke of York (b.1557)​
3a) John Grey, Duke of Bedford (b.1560)​
4a) Margaret Grey, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1562)​
3a) Jane Grey (b.1541: d.1545)​
4a) Ursula Grey (b.1543: d.1598) m. Edward Seymour, Duke of Somerset (b.1539: d.1621) (a)​
- had no issue
5b) Stillborn Son (c.1544)​
4c) Stillborn Son (c.1522)​
5c) Philip II, King of Spain (b.1524: d.1578) m. Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1523: d.1574) (a)​
1a) Juan III, King of Spain (b.1546) m. Joanna, Archduchess of Austria (b.1547) (a)​
1a) Teresa Anna, Infanta of Spain (b.1566)​
2a) Charles III, King of Spain (b.1568)​
3a) Michelle, Infanta of Spain (b.1569)​
4a) Juan, Infante of Spain (b.1572)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1573)​
6a) Enrique, Infante of Spain (b.1575: d.1577)​
7a) Margaret, Infanta of Spain (b.1578)​
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1549)​
3a) Maria, Infanta of Spain (b.1550: d.1550)​
4a) Ferdinand, Infante of Spain (b.1552: d.1580) p. Guilia of Barcelona (c.1550: d.1598) (a)​
- had illegitimate issue​
5a) Margaret, Infanta of Spain (b.1556: d.1604) m. Francis, Archduke of Austria (b.1550: d.1583) (a)​
1a) Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1579)​
2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1582)​
6a) Stillborn Son (c.1558)​
7a) Charles, Infante of Spain (b.1561: d.1561)​
6c) Henry, Duke of Burgundy (b.1526: d.1570) m. Maria Manuela, Infanta of Portugal (b.1527: d.1551) (a), Anna, Archduchess of Austria (b.1528: d.1576) (b)​
1a) Joanna of Burgundy (b.1546) m. Nicolas II, Duke of Lorraine (b.1524: d.1577) (a)​
1a) Anna of Lorraine (b.1577)​
2a) Isabella of Burgundy (b.1547) m. Philippe III de Croÿ (b.1526: d.1595) (a)​
1a) Philippe IV de Croÿ (b.1579)​
2a) Agnes III de Croÿ (b.1585)​
3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1549)​
4a) Charles III, Duke of Burgundy (b.1550) m. Helena, Archduchess of Austria (b.1553: d.1574) (a), Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1553: d.1609) (b)​
1b) Henry II, Lord of the Netherlands (b.1579)​
2b) Stillborn Son (c.1582)​
3b) Francis of Burgundy (b.1585)​
5b) Henry of Burgundy (b.1555: d.1555)​
6b) Margaret of Burgundy (b.1557: d.1558)​
7b) David of Burgundy (b.1560) m. Sibylle of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b.1557: d.1628) (a)​
1a) Michelle of Burgundy (b.1582)​
2a) Mary of Burgundy (b.1585)​
3a) Isabelle of Burgundy (b.1587)​
8b) Catherine of Burgundy (b.1562: d.1567)​
9b) Magdalena of Burgundy (b.1563) m. Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1556) (a)​
1a) Henry Grey, Prince of Wales (b.1581: d.1589)​
2a) Arthur I, King of England and Ireland (b.1584)​
3a) Margaret Grey, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1585)​
4a) Thomas Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1588)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1590)​
6a) Joan Grey, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1592)​
10b) Stillborn Son (c.1565)​
11b) John of Burgundy (b.1566: d.1567)​
12b) Anna of Burgundy (b.1568: d.1596) p. Unknown Priest (a)​
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1596)​
13b) Charlotte of Burgundy (b.1570: d.1624)​
- never married, had no issue
14b) Stillborn Son (c.1571)​
7c) Miscarriage (c.1527)​
8c) Maria, Archduchess of Austria (b.1530: d.1532)​
Some things that happened:

  • Mary Tudor's third marriage basically occurred as a financial deal with her brother. Fearful of her position upon the shocking death of her husband at sea traveling to Calais to prepare for the meeting between Henry VIII and Francois I, Mary was left with immense amounts of debt that she and Brandon had undertaken in order to gain permission for their marriage. When the Holy Roman Emperor expressed interest in taking her as his bride, a marriage that had initially been meant to happen 6 years previously, she leveraged this interest to wipe her debt on her son's behalf, while asking for her brother to personally take over his wardship. Henry, also grieving his greatest friend and aware that Mary was being extremely generous in her terms, agreed, and she was married to Charles by proxy in early 1521. Mary would meet him in Brussels in April, and by July, when plans were set for her to travel to Madrid, she had already fallen pregnant, and was left in the care of the Archduchess Margaret, who was there when the Empress miscarried a son upon news that her eldest had died of a childhood illness. Charles requested Mary, upon this loss, join him in Madrid, which she did by the end of 1522. She travelled with him across Spain through most of 1523, only stopping when she fell pregnant again towards the end of the year. Their eldest son was born in June of 1524, and named Philip for his deceased grandfather. Mary remained in Spain as Regent through the next year, but found herself unpopular and poorly equipped for rule. In late 1525 Ferdinand of Austria replaced her in this role and take custody of her son, and she would reunite with her husband in Brussels, where she fell pregnant for a third time. A second son, Henry of Austria, was born in 1526. Due to their proximity, Charles and Mary would fall pregnant a third time in 1527, and at this time, had found some measure of closeness, with Charles even allowing and lobbying for Mary to take custody of her eldest daughter Frances, who King Henry agreed under the condition that she sell him her inheritance, with money that would become part of Frances' future dowry. The Empress would miscarry this pregnancy, and faced reports that her much-famed beauty had faded. The Emperor would leave Mary as Regent of Burgundy following a visit in 1530, where she gave birth to the couple's only daughter, the Archduchess Maria - who would die at 18 months. The Empress was deemed unable to bear further children following the difficult labour with the Archduchess Maria, and Charles would begin to take on mistresses through the 1530s, leaving his wife outside of his care. Mary proved less than adequate in her role as Regent, struggling to take on the complicated political issues of the era. In 1534 she did cement a win with the marriage of her daughter Frances to the Duke of Florence, which followed news that her daughter Eleanor had married Lord Henry Grey, the heir to Dorset. Having been granted custody of her step-nieces Dorothea and Christina of Denmark, she worked hard to find them suitable husbands as well, with Dorothea marrying the heir to Lorraine, while Christina (who had grown close to Frances) married the heir to Parma, in order to cement Hapsburg interests in Italy. These marriages were done with the blessing of the Emperor, who agreed for Mary to leave Burgundy TEMPORARILY to attend to her daughter upon the birth of her first child in 1535. Frances would give birth to a son - Lorenzo de' Medici- despite an assassination attempt on her and her husband's life. Enraged that her daughter had been endangered, Mary refused to leave Florence, claiming ill health kept her away. This led to the Duchess of Savoy being recruited to rule Burgundy in her place, which suited Beatrice of Portugal fine. Mary was able to stretch her sojourn in Italy long enough to not only see the birth of her first granddaughter in 1537, named Clarice de' Medici, but to see her son-in-law actually be murdered that same year, and to encourage Frances to remarry Cosimo de' Medici, for fear that he would usurp her grandson's throne. Charles was less happy about this matchmaking, but the Empress had secured a dispensation, and Frances managed to hold the Regency with her support. Mary returned to Brussels in late 1538, but found the travels incredibly hard on her body. While much of her illness in Florence had been acting, many of the health issues she'd been suffering since childhood had gotten worse, and in early 1539 she was bedridden and sick enough that Charles was called to her side. The Emperor was slow to visit his wife, but did so in June, where he was greeted by a visibly frail Mary Tudor. At 43, she looked well into her 50s, and Charles remained by her side until she died in September of that year. She lived long enough to hear of Frances' third pregnancy - a daughter that would be named Maria in her honour. Charles would never remarry out of respect for his Empress, and their sons grew healthy.

  • Frances Brandon's life following her mother's death was difficult. She and Cosimo had been lovers before they were wed, but struggled when politics came into play. Not a political animal, Frances' main concern was securing her son's position until he came of age, which did not align with Cosimo's hopes for personal power. Things came to a head over Tuscany, which Frances successfully lobbied her stepfather to be granted as part of Lorenzo's estates, dashing Cosimo's hopes for that to be his own title. Things came to a head for the couple in 1556, when a pregnant Frances was unable to prevent her son (now an adult) from exiling her husband over a perceived slight. Despite Cosimo's hopes that Frances would follow him, she chose to stay in Florence, where she gave birth to their third surviving child, a daughter named Isabella. Cosimo would return to Florence against his stepson's wishes in early 1558, and was murdered at his order. Frances struggled to believe this of her son, but did take a significantly less active role in Florence's political circles, focusing her time on her children. Lorenzo would eventually marry the Archduchess Catherine, while Clarice married the Duke of Mantua. Frances wanted her children with Cosimo to all enter the church, and the elder two would, with Giovanni de' Medici becoming a cardinal. Isabella de' Medici would marry the second son of Christina of Denmark and the Duke of Parma after Frances' death, who would later become Duke of Parma himself.

  • Eleanor Brandon, the daughter left behind, proved an unremarkable creature in England. Married to the slightly disappointing Henry Grey, she was often away from court due to frequent pregnancies. She died in 1544, at the age of 25, after miscarrying a son. Her husband's favour at court had been mostly contingent on her presence, and Eleanor's children were sold in wardship to Edward Seymour shortly after her death. In 1553 there was an attempt to raise her son to Kingship, but the boy proved wilful and fearful, writing promises to the Lady Mary of his loyalty. This was rewarded initially with imprisonment, but he would eventually be married to the Lady Elizabeth when (a) he converted to Catholicism, and (b) Mary officially decided against marriage to the Archduke Ferdinand in 1555. John Grey proved a surprisingly solid husband for Queen Elizabeth - his conversion to Catholicism had been shallow and his political ambitions nil. He happily remained the Duke of Suffolk and the two would have four healthy children before agreeing to separate households. He would even do her the respect of not taking a mistress, although he did often grumble about the presence of Robert Dudley. His only surviving sister, Ursula Grey, had been married in childhood to Edward Seymour and held a candle for him even after Queen Mary annulled the marriage. The Queen would eventually allow it after the birth of a third son in 1560. This marriage did not produce children, but Ursula did become increasingly popular and important at court. John Grey outlived his wife and lived happily in his son's court.

  • Philip II of Spain, the Empress' eldest surviving son, did not grow up knowing his mother. Raised primarily by religious figures, the ultra-pious Philip proved worrisome for the Emperor, who tried to funnel his piety into traditional routes. When this didn't work, Charles focused much of his energies on finding him a suitable wife, eventually settling on Marguerite of France in the early 1540s. The two were...ill-suited. Marguerite was charming and pretty, but did not sufficiently play up her religious bonafides for her husband's liking. It's said that they only managed to conceive when she managed to meet him in mass 4 times in one day. While Marguerite would fall pregnant seven times, increasingly difficult living conditions and hard traveling led to miscarriages and sickly children, and only three surviving infancy. The Queen would eventually form a separate household from her husband, remaining primarily in Barcelona and estates near the French border, where she could more easily receive gifts from her family. In 1570 the two briefly reunited for the marriage of their eldest son to the Archduchess Joanna, who neither found particularly appealing. Philip was as strict on his children as his wife, and he refused to allow his other children to marry anyone not sufficiently holy. It wasn't until his death that his daughter Margaret found a husband, in the eldest son of Maximilian of Austria and Anna Jaigellon - the Archduke Francis. The Infanta Margaret was 22 and excited to leave the incredibly constrictive court. Her brother Ferdinand found rebellion more simply - he took on a mistress and refused to marry.

  • Henry of Austria was named after his infamous uncle, and was given the pleasure of being raised by his mother. Very much a pet of the Empress, Charles V found his son in 1540 "soft and weak", and took him under his wing to train for his role in the family. Henry evidentially took well to this one-on-one attention, and by 1543 was noted as "a fine young warrior and general", to the Emperor's delight. In 1545 he was officially made Viceroy of Burgundy in preparation of his future role as Duke and Lord, which greatly upset his uncle. He also married the Infanta Maria Manuela, his cousin and one-time betrothed of his brother. The Portuguese Infanta had been primarily raised by her aunt, the Abbess Isabella of Portugal, and her quiet piety paired well with her now disciplined husband. Henry focused much of his energies on creating an enviable court, and all was well until the Duchess, having been conferred the title with her husband in 1550 following the birth of their son, died following stomach pains in late 1551. The Infanta's health had been severely weakened by the birth of the Count of Charolais, but the couple had been abstaining from any sort of physical intimacy to allow her to regain strength. The stomach pains had begun following a feast, leading to fears that the Duchess was poisoned. But the more likely explanation was that the Duchess Maria Manuela simply did not have the strength to recover from a bad illness. Her death plunged the Duke of Burgundy into severe depression, and this was only really helped by the arrival and support of his aunt Mary of Austria, Queen Dowager of Hungary and Bohemia. The Archduchess Mary would provide him with the support and guidance to find himself again, and in 1554 he agreed to marry the Archduchess Anna, who would bear him a further ten children, including a posthumous stillborn son. Henry would die in 1570 at war with Lutherans in Artois, which allowed his young and brilliant son to ascend the Ducal Throne while young and restless. Anna of Austria would enter a convent shortly after, apparently pressured by her stepson to give up power and much of her dower income. Henry lived long enough to see his three eldest children married, with Joanna and Isabella of Burgundy marrying the Duke of Lorraine as his third wife and the Duke of Aarschot as his first respectively. Isabella's somewhat low marriage was due to physical disabilities, which Henry worried would make her vulnerable to a husband not under his control - his son would continue to hold his sister in high esteem and she often acted as Regent for him. Charles III, Duke of Burgundy would marry in 1569 to Helena of Austria - the only surviving daughter of Maximilian of Austria and Anna Jaigellon. They would have no children, and in 1575 he would remarry to Marguerite of Valois and have two healthy children. His only surviving brother, David of Burgundy, would marry Sibylle of Jülich-Cleves-Berg in 1579, and would have three daughters. Magdalena, Anna, and Charlotte of Burgundy proved difficult of Charles to part with, but he would marry off Magdalena to the Prince of Wales in 1580. Anna and Charlotte would have suitors, but eventually both would enter holy orders. Anna would prove scandalous when she died in 1596 in childbirth to the son of a priest. That son was stillborn, and Anna's death was not acknowledged by her brother.
 
Scenario: Charles Brandon dies in 1520 - Mary Tudor marries Charles V.

Mary Tudor, Princess of England (b.1496: d.1539) m. Louis XII, King of France (b.1462: d.1515) (a), Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1484: d.1520) (b), Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1500: d.1558) (c)

1b) Henry Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (b.1516: d.1522)​
2b) Frances Brandon (b.1517: d.1565) m. Alessandro de' Medici, Duke of Florence (b.1510: d.1537) (a), Cosimo I de' Medici (b.1519: d.1558) (b)​
1a) Lorenzo III de' Medici, Duke of Florence (b.1535) m. Catherine, Archduchess of Austria (b.1533) (a)​
1a) Maria de' Medici (b.1559)​
2a) Lorenzo IV de' Medici, Duke of Florence (b.1562)​
3a) Stillborn Son (c.1564)​
4a) Luigi de' Medici (b.1566)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1567)​
6a) Giovanni de' Medici (b.1570)​
2a) Clarice de' Medici (b.1537) m. Guglielmo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (b.1538: d.1587) (a)​
1a) Francesco Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (b.1562)​
3b) Maria de' Medici, Abbess (b.1540: d.1601)​
- never married, had no issue
4b) Stillborn Son (c.1543)​
5b) Giovanni de' Medici, Cardinal (b.1544: d.1575)​
- never married, had no issue
6b) Stillborn Son (c.1548)​
7b) Octavio de' Medici (b.1550: d.1550)​
8b) Virginia de' Medici (b.1554: d.1554)​
9b) Isabella de' Medici (b.1557) m. Guilio Farnese, Duke of Parma (b.1549)​
1a) Vittoria Farnese (b.1577)​
2a) Emmanuel Farnese, Duke of Parma (b.1580)​
3a) Ricardo Farnese (b.1583: d.1585)​
4a) Stillborn Son (c.1585)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1587)​
6a) Luigi Farnese (b.1590)​
7a) Guilia Farnese (b.1592)​
3b) Eleanor Brandon (b.1519: d.1544) m. Henry Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1517: d.1567) (a)​
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1538)​
2a) John Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1540: d.1610) m. Elizabeth I, Queen of England and Ireland (b.1533) (a)​
1a) Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1556) m. Magdalena of Burgundy (b.1563) (a)​
- had issue​
2a) Arthur Grey, Duke of York (b.1557)​
3a) John Grey, Duke of Bedford (b.1560)​
4a) Margaret Grey, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1562)​
3a) Jane Grey (b.1541: d.1545)​
4a) Ursula Grey (b.1543: d.1598) m. Edward Seymour, Duke of Somerset (b.1539: d.1621) (a)​
- had no issue
5b) Stillborn Son (c.1544)​
4c) Stillborn Son (c.1522)​
5c) Philip II, King of Spain (b.1524: d.1578) m. Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1523: d.1574) (a)​
1a) Juan III, King of Spain (b.1546) m. Joanna, Archduchess of Austria (b.1547) (a)​
1a) Teresa Anna, Infanta of Spain (b.1566)​
2a) Charles III, King of Spain (b.1568)​
3a) Michelle, Infanta of Spain (b.1569)​
4a) Juan, Infante of Spain (b.1572)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1573)​
6a) Enrique, Infante of Spain (b.1575: d.1577)​
7a) Margaret, Infanta of Spain (b.1578)​
2a) Stillborn Son (c.1549)​
3a) Maria, Infanta of Spain (b.1550: d.1550)​
4a) Ferdinand, Infante of Spain (b.1552: d.1580) p. Guilia of Barcelona (c.1550: d.1598) (a)​
- had illegitimate issue​
5a) Margaret, Infanta of Spain (b.1556: d.1604) m. Francis, Archduke of Austria (b.1550: d.1583) (a)​
1a) Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1579)​
2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1582)​
6a) Stillborn Son (c.1558)​
7a) Charles, Infante of Spain (b.1561: d.1561)​
6c) Henry, Duke of Burgundy (b.1526: d.1570) m. Maria Manuela, Infanta of Portugal (b.1527: d.1551) (a), Anna, Archduchess of Austria (b.1528: d.1576) (b)​
1a) Joanna of Burgundy (b.1546) m. Nicolas II, Duke of Lorraine (b.1524: d.1577) (a)​
1a) Anna of Lorraine (b.1577)​
2a) Isabella of Burgundy (b.1547) m. Philippe III de Croÿ (b.1526: d.1595) (a)​
1a) Philippe IV de Croÿ (b.1579)​
2a) Agnes III de Croÿ (b.1585)​
3a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1549)​
4a) Charles III, Duke of Burgundy (b.1550) m. Helena, Archduchess of Austria (b.1553: d.1574) (a), Marguerite, Princess of France (b.1553: d.1609) (b)​
1b) Henry II, Lord of the Netherlands (b.1579)​
2b) Stillborn Son (c.1582)​
3b) Francis of Burgundy (b.1585)​
5b) Henry of Burgundy (b.1555: d.1555)​
6b) Margaret of Burgundy (b.1557: d.1558)​
7b) David of Burgundy (b.1560) m. Sibylle of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (b.1557: d.1628) (a)​
1a) Michelle of Burgundy (b.1582)​
2a) Mary of Burgundy (b.1585)​
3a) Isabelle of Burgundy (b.1587)​
8b) Catherine of Burgundy (b.1562: d.1567)​
9b) Magdalena of Burgundy (b.1563) m. Henry IX, King of England and Ireland (b.1556) (a)​
1a) Henry Grey, Prince of Wales (b.1581: d.1589)​
2a) Arthur I, King of England and Ireland (b.1584)​
3a) Margaret Grey, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1585)​
4a) Thomas Grey, Duke of Suffolk (b.1588)​
5a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1590)​
6a) Joan Grey, Princess of England and Ireland (b.1592)​
10b) Stillborn Son (c.1565)​
11b) John of Burgundy (b.1566: d.1567)​
12b) Anna of Burgundy (b.1568: d.1596) p. Unknown Priest (a)​
1a) Stillborn Son (c.1596)​
13b) Charlotte of Burgundy (b.1570: d.1624)​
- never married, had no issue
14b) Stillborn Son (c.1571)​
7c) Miscarriage (c.1527)​
8c) Maria, Archduchess of Austria (b.1530: d.1532)​
Some things that happened:

  • Mary Tudor's third marriage basically occurred as a financial deal with her brother. Fearful of her position upon the shocking death of her husband at sea traveling to Calais to prepare for the meeting between Henry VIII and Francois I, Mary was left with immense amounts of debt that she and Brandon had undertaken in order to gain permission for their marriage. When the Holy Roman Emperor expressed interest in taking her as his bride, a marriage that had initially been meant to happen 6 years previously, she leveraged this interest to wipe her debt on her son's behalf, while asking for her brother to personally take over his wardship. Henry, also grieving his greatest friend and aware that Mary was being extremely generous in her terms, agreed, and she was married to Charles by proxy in early 1521. Mary would meet him in Brussels in April, and by July, when plans were set for her to travel to Madrid, she had already fallen pregnant, and was left in the care of the Archduchess Margaret, who was there when the Empress miscarried a son upon news that her eldest had died of a childhood illness. Charles requested Mary, upon this loss, join him in Madrid, which she did by the end of 1522. She travelled with him across Spain through most of 1523, only stopping when she fell pregnant again towards the end of the year. Their eldest son was born in June of 1524, and named Philip for his deceased grandfather. Mary remained in Spain as Regent through the next year, but found herself unpopular and poorly equipped for rule. In late 1525 Ferdinand of Austria replaced her in this role and take custody of her son, and she would reunite with her husband in Brussels, where she fell pregnant for a third time. A second son, Henry of Austria, was born in 1526. Due to their proximity, Charles and Mary would fall pregnant a third time in 1527, and at this time, had found some measure of closeness, with Charles even allowing and lobbying for Mary to take custody of her eldest daughter Frances, who King Henry agreed under the condition that she sell him her inheritance, with money that would become part of Frances' future dowry. The Empress would miscarry this pregnancy, and faced reports that her much-famed beauty had faded. The Emperor would leave Mary as Regent of Burgundy following a visit in 1530, where she gave birth to the couple's only daughter, the Archduchess Maria - who would die at 18 months. The Empress was deemed unable to bear further children following the difficult labour with the Archduchess Maria, and Charles would begin to take on mistresses through the 1530s, leaving his wife outside of his care. Mary proved less than adequate in her role as Regent, struggling to take on the complicated political issues of the era. In 1534 she did cement a win with the marriage of her daughter Frances to the Duke of Florence, which followed news that her daughter Eleanor had married Lord Henry Grey, the heir to Dorset. Having been granted custody of her step-nieces Dorothea and Christina of Denmark, she worked hard to find them suitable husbands as well, with Dorothea marrying the heir to Lorraine, while Christina (who had grown close to Frances) married the heir to Parma, in order to cement Hapsburg interests in Italy. These marriages were done with the blessing of the Emperor, who agreed for Mary to leave Burgundy TEMPORARILY to attend to her daughter upon the birth of her first child in 1535. Frances would give birth to a son - Lorenzo de' Medici- despite an assassination attempt on her and her husband's life. Enraged that her daughter had been endangered, Mary refused to leave Florence, claiming ill health kept her away. This led to the Duchess of Savoy being recruited to rule Burgundy in her place, which suited Beatrice of Portugal fine. Mary was able to stretch her sojourn in Italy long enough to not only see the birth of her first granddaughter in 1537, named Clarice de' Medici, but to see her son-in-law actually be murdered that same year, and to encourage Frances to remarry Cosimo de' Medici, for fear that he would usurp her grandson's throne. Charles was less happy about this matchmaking, but the Empress had secured a dispensation, and Frances managed to hold the Regency with her support. Mary returned to Brussels in late 1538, but found the travels incredibly hard on her body. While much of her illness in Florence had been acting, many of the health issues she'd been suffering since childhood had gotten worse, and in early 1539 she was bedridden and sick enough that Charles was called to her side. The Emperor was slow to visit his wife, but did so in June, where he was greeted by a visibly frail Mary Tudor. At 43, she looked well into her 50s, and Charles remained by her side until she died in September of that year. She lived long enough to hear of Frances' third pregnancy - a daughter that would be named Maria in her honour. Charles would never remarry out of respect for his Empress, and their sons grew healthy.

  • Frances Brandon's life following her mother's death was difficult. She and Cosimo had been lovers before they were wed, but struggled when politics came into play. Not a political animal, Frances' main concern was securing her son's position until he came of age, which did not align with Cosimo's hopes for personal power. Things came to a head over Tuscany, which Frances successfully lobbied her stepfather to be granted as part of Lorenzo's estates, dashing Cosimo's hopes for that to be his own title. Things came to a head for the couple in 1556, when a pregnant Frances was unable to prevent her son (now an adult) from exiling her husband over a perceived slight. Despite Cosimo's hopes that Frances would follow him, she chose to stay in Florence, where she gave birth to their third surviving child, a daughter named Isabella. Cosimo would return to Florence against his stepson's wishes in early 1558, and was murdered at his order. Frances struggled to believe this of her son, but did take a significantly less active role in Florence's political circles, focusing her time on her children. Lorenzo would eventually marry the Archduchess Catherine, while Clarice married the Duke of Mantua. Frances wanted her children with Cosimo to all enter the church, and the elder two would, with Giovanni de' Medici becoming a cardinal. Isabella de' Medici would marry the second son of Christina of Denmark and the Duke of Parma after Frances' death, who would later become Duke of Parma himself.

  • Eleanor Brandon, the daughter left behind, proved an unremarkable creature in England. Married to the slightly disappointing Henry Grey, she was often away from court due to frequent pregnancies. She died in 1544, at the age of 25, after miscarrying a son. Her husband's favour at court had been mostly contingent on her presence, and Eleanor's children were sold in wardship to Edward Seymour shortly after her death. In 1553 there was an attempt to raise her son to Kingship, but the boy proved wilful and fearful, writing promises to the Lady Mary of his loyalty. This was rewarded initially with imprisonment, but he would eventually be married to the Lady Elizabeth when (a) he converted to Catholicism, and (b) Mary officially decided against marriage to the Archduke Ferdinand in 1555. John Grey proved a surprisingly solid husband for Queen Elizabeth - his conversion to Catholicism had been shallow and his political ambitions nil. He happily remained the Duke of Suffolk and the two would have four healthy children before agreeing to separate households. He would even do her the respect of not taking a mistress, although he did often grumble about the presence of Robert Dudley. His only surviving sister, Ursula Grey, had been married in childhood to Edward Seymour and held a candle for him even after Queen Mary annulled the marriage. The Queen would eventually allow it after the birth of a third son in 1560. This marriage did not produce children, but Ursula did become increasingly popular and important at court. John Grey outlived his wife and lived happily in his son's court.

  • Philip II of Spain, the Empress' eldest surviving son, did not grow up knowing his mother. Raised primarily by religious figures, the ultra-pious Philip proved worrisome for the Emperor, who tried to funnel his piety into traditional routes. When this didn't work, Charles focused much of his energies on finding him a suitable wife, eventually settling on Marguerite of France in the early 1540s. The two were...ill-suited. Marguerite was charming and pretty, but did not sufficiently play up her religious bonafides for her husband's liking. It's said that they only managed to conceive when she managed to meet him in mass 4 times in one day. While Marguerite would fall pregnant seven times, increasingly difficult living conditions and hard traveling led to miscarriages and sickly children, and only three surviving infancy. The Queen would eventually form a separate household from her husband, remaining primarily in Barcelona and estates near the French border, where she could more easily receive gifts from her family. In 1570 the two briefly reunited for the marriage of their eldest son to the Archduchess Joanna, who neither found particularly appealing. Philip was as strict on his children as his wife, and he refused to allow his other children to marry anyone not sufficiently holy. It wasn't until his death that his daughter Margaret found a husband, in the eldest son of Maximilian of Austria and Anna Jaigellon - the Archduke Francis. The Infanta Margaret was 22 and excited to leave the incredibly constrictive court. Her brother Ferdinand found rebellion more simply - he took on a mistress and refused to marry.

  • Henry of Austria was named after his infamous uncle, and was given the pleasure of being raised by his mother. Very much a pet of the Empress, Charles V found his son in 1540 "soft and weak", and took him under his wing to train for his role in the family. Henry evidentially took well to this one-on-one attention, and by 1543 was noted as "a fine young warrior and general", to the Emperor's delight. In 1545 he was officially made Viceroy of Burgundy in preparation of his future role as Duke and Lord, which greatly upset his uncle. He also married the Infanta Maria Manuela, his cousin and one-time betrothed of his brother. The Portuguese Infanta had been primarily raised by her aunt, the Abbess Isabella of Portugal, and her quiet piety paired well with her now disciplined husband. Henry focused much of his energies on creating an enviable court, and all was well until the Duchess, having been conferred the title with her husband in 1550 following the birth of their son, died following stomach pains in late 1551. The Infanta's health had been severely weakened by the birth of the Count of Charolais, but the couple had been abstaining from any sort of physical intimacy to allow her to regain strength. The stomach pains had begun following a feast, leading to fears that the Duchess was poisoned. But the more likely explanation was that the Duchess Maria Manuela simply did not have the strength to recover from a bad illness. Her death plunged the Duke of Burgundy into severe depression, and this was only really helped by the arrival and support of his aunt Mary of Austria, Queen Dowager of Hungary and Bohemia. The Archduchess Mary would provide him with the support and guidance to find himself again, and in 1554 he agreed to marry the Archduchess Anna, who would bear him a further ten children, including a posthumous stillborn son. Henry would die in 1570 at war with Lutherans in Artois, which allowed his young and brilliant son to ascend the Ducal Throne while young and restless. Anna of Austria would enter a convent shortly after, apparently pressured by her stepson to give up power and much of her dower income. Henry lived long enough to see his three eldest children married, with Joanna and Isabella of Burgundy marrying the Duke of Lorraine as his third wife and the Duke of Aarschot as his first respectively. Isabella's somewhat low marriage was due to physical disabilities, which Henry worried would make her vulnerable to a husband not under his control - his son would continue to hold his sister in high esteem and she often acted as Regent for him. Charles III, Duke of Burgundy would marry in 1569 to Helena of Austria - the only surviving daughter of Maximilian of Austria and Anna Jaigellon. They would have no children, and in 1575 he would remarry to Marguerite of Valois and have two healthy children. His only surviving brother, David of Burgundy, would marry Sibylle of Jülich-Cleves-Berg in 1579, and would have three daughters. Magdalena, Anna, and Charlotte of Burgundy proved difficult of Charles to part with, but he would marry off Magdalena to the Prince of Wales in 1580. Anna and Charlotte would have suitors, but eventually both would enter holy orders. Anna would prove scandalous when she died in 1596 in childbirth to the son of a priest. That son was stillborn, and Anna's death was not acknowledged by her brother.
I highly doubt that Charles v would be interested in marrying a 25 year old who had already debased herself by marrying beneath her station when he could have his pick of inoffensive princesses. I’m especially not sure he could be persuaded to accept the older Mary in place of the younger Mary, given that the younger Mary was openly considered her father’s potential heiress.
 
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An idea for a scenario where Murat keeps the throne of Naples

Gioacchino I, King of Naples [1808-1840], Grand Duke of Berg [1806-1808] (1767-1840) m: 1800 Caroline Bonaparte (1782-1839)

Achille Carlo, King of Naples [as Carlo VIII from 1840] (b.1801) m: 1815 Maria Klementina of Austria (b.1798)​
Stillborn Son (1817)​
Carolina Maria Clementina (1818-1829)​
Gioacchino Francesco, Prince of Pontecorvo (b.1819) m: 1840 Auguste of Tuscany (b.1825)​
Clotilde Maria (b.1821) m: 1838 Othon, King of Greece (b.1815)​
Carlo Gaetano, Duke of Bari (b.1823) m:​
Stillborn Daughter (1824)​
Ferdinando Giuseppe (b.1826)​
Maria Antonietta Alexandrine (b.1829)​
Maria Letizia (b.1802) m: 1819 Fernando VII, King of Spain (1784-1833)​
Fernando VIII Joaquin, King of Spain [1833-1835] (1820-1835)​
Maria Francisca Carolina (b.1822) m: 1840 Henri V, King of France (b.1820)​
Francisco José Maria, King of Spain [as José II, from 1835] (b.1824) m: 1844 Adelgunde of Bavaria (b.1823)​
Enrique Gabriel, Infante of Spain (b.1826)​
Luisa Maria Vitória (b.1830)​
Luciano Carlo, Duke of Taranto (b.1803) m: 1821 Alexandrine Aimée Macdonald, 2e Duchess of Taranto (b.1803 )​
Gioacchino Giuseppe (b.1823) m: 1844 Januária, Princess Imperial of Brasil (b.1822)​
Stillborn Daughter (1826)​
Maria Carolina Letizia (b.1828)​
Carlo Stefano Giacomo (b.1831)​
Anna Maria Felicità (b.1833)​
Luisa Giulia (b.1805) m: 1823 Ernst Leopold, Landgrave of Hesse-Rothenburg, Duc de Bouillon [1] [2] (b.1802)​
Viktor Amadeus II, Landgrave of Hesse-Rothenburg, Duc de Bouillon (b.1825) m: 1842 Ludovika Sophie of Hohenzollern-Hechingen [3]​
Stillborn Son (1827)​
Maria Adelheid Klothilde (b.1828)​
Amalie Maria Leopoldine (b.1830)​
Julie Maria Therese (1833-1836)​
Karl Friedrich Joachim (b.1835)​
Isabella Eugenie Viktoria (b.1836)​


[1] son of Viktor Amadeus, Landgrave of Hesse-Rothenburg and his first wife, Leopoldine of Fürstenberg. This "odd" match is because Viktor Amadeus' stepmom is aunt of Empress Marie Louise's third husband, the comte de Bombelles. Through his mother, Ernst Leopold, is cousin to Karl Egon of Fürstenberg who married Amalie of Baden. Through his Hesse-Rothenburg side, Viktor is related to the Savoies, the Carignano, the Rohans, the Doria and Colonna
[2] at the Congress of Vienna, there was some debate over what to do with the duchy of Bouillon. Some random de la Tour d'Auvergne relative showed up, the Rohans wanted it and Viktor Amadeus staked a claim on the grounds that he was the nephew of the last duchess (Maria Hedwig Eleonore of Hesse-Rothenburg, Duchesse de Bouillon). Ultimately, the matter was decided by simply apportioning Bouillon to the kingdom of the Netherlands
[3] only child of Konstantin, Prince of Hechingen and Hortense de Beauharnais

@isabella @Nuraghe @Basileus_Komnenos @The_Most_Happy
 
An idea for a scenario where Murat keeps the throne of Naples

Gioacchino I, King of Naples [1808-1840], Grand Duke of Berg [1806-1808] (1767-1840) m: 1800 Caroline Bonaparte (1782-1839)

Achille Carlo, King of Naples [as Carlo VIII from 1840] (b.1801) m: 1815 Maria Klementina of Austria (b.1798)​
Stillborn Son (1817)​
Carolina Maria Clementina (1818-1829)​
Gioacchino Francesco, Prince of Pontecorvo (b.1819) m: 1840 Auguste of Tuscany (b.1825)​
Clotilde Maria (b.1821) m: 1838 Othon, King of Greece (b.1815)​
Carlo Gaetano, Duke of Bari (b.1823) m:​
Stillborn Daughter (1824)​
Ferdinando Giuseppe (b.1826)​
Maria Antonietta Alexandrine (b.1829)​
Maria Letizia (b.1802) m: 1819 Fernando VII, King of Spain (1784-1833)​
Fernando VIII Joaquin, King of Spain [1833-1835] (1820-1835)​
Maria Francisca Carolina (b.1822) m: 1840 Henri V, King of France (b.1820)​
Francisco José Maria, King of Spain [as José II, from 1835] (b.1824) m: 1844 Adelgunde of Bavaria (b.1823)​
Enrique Gabriel, Infante of Spain (b.1826)​
Luisa Maria Vitória (b.1830)​
Luciano Carlo, Duke of Taranto (b.1803) m: 1821 Alexandrine Aimée Macdonald, 2e Duchess of Taranto (b.1803 )​
Gioacchino Giuseppe (b.1823) m: 1844 Januária, Princess Imperial of Brasil (b.1822)​
Stillborn Daughter (1826)​
Maria Carolina Letizia (b.1828)​
Carlo Stefano Giacomo (b.1831)​
Anna Maria Felicità (b.1833)​
Luisa Giulia (b.1805) m: 1823 Ernst Leopold, Landgrave of Hesse-Rothenburg, Duc de Bouillon [1] [2] (b.1802)​
Viktor Amadeus II, Landgrave of Hesse-Rothenburg, Duc de Bouillon (b.1825) m: 1842 Ludovika Sophie of Hohenzollern-Hechingen [3]​
Stillborn Son (1827)​
Maria Adelheid Klothilde (b.1828)​
Amalie Maria Leopoldine (b.1830)​
Julie Maria Therese (1833-1836)​
Karl Friedrich Joachim (b.1835)​
Isabella Eugenie Viktoria (b.1836)​


[1] son of Viktor Amadeus, Landgrave of Hesse-Rothenburg and his first wife, Leopoldine of Fürstenberg. This "odd" match is because Viktor Amadeus' stepmom is aunt of Empress Marie Louise's third husband, the comte de Bombelles. Through his mother, Ernst Leopold, is cousin to Karl Egon of Fürstenberg who married Amalie of Baden. Through his Hesse-Rothenburg side, Viktor is related to the Savoies, the Carignano, the Rohans, the Doria and Colonna
[2] at the Congress of Vienna, there was some debate over what to do with the duchy of Bouillon. Some random de la Tour d'Auvergne relative showed up, the Rohans wanted it and Viktor Amadeus staked a claim on the grounds that he was the nephew of the last duchess (Maria Hedwig Eleonore of Hesse-Rothenburg, Duchesse de Bouillon). Ultimately, the matter was decided by simply apportioning Bouillon to the kingdom of the Netherlands
[3] only child of Konstantin, Prince of Hechingen and Hortense de Beauharnais

@isabella @Nuraghe @Basileus_Komnenos @The_Most_Happy
Love this! And can You SEE the murats leading the unificación of italy as it's Kings?
 
John of Luxembourg, Duke of Görlitz (Zgorzelec) (b.1370-.1396) m Richardis Catherine of Mecklenburg (b.1372-.1400)

Johann, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1390-.?) m Elizabeth of Bohemia and Hungary (b.1409-.?) in 1425 with issues
Elizabeth (b.1426-.?) m Władysław III of Poland (b.1424-.?) in 1439 with issues
Hedwig(b.1442-.?) m Archduke Frederick of Austria (b. 1415-.?) in 1458 with issues
Christopher, Archduke of Austria (b. 1459-.?) m
Ernest (b.1462-.1466)
Elizabeth (b.1467-.?)
Hedwig (b.1472-.?)
Władysław III of Poland (b.1445-.?) m Elisabeth of Brandenburg (b.1451-.?) with issues
Sigmund I, King of Poland (b. 1472-.?) m
Hedwig (b.1474-?) m
Elizabeth (b.1476-.?) m
John (b.1479-.1482)​
Sophia(b.1483-.?) m​
Frederick (b.1486-.?)prince, Archbishop of Gniezno, Bishop of Kraków, and Primate of Poland.
Barbara (b.1491-.?)
Sigmund (b.1449-.1452)
Sophia (b.1453-.?) m John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg (b.1455-.?) with issues
John George, Elector of Brandenburg (b.1475-.?)
Anna (b.1478-.?)
Elizabeth (b.1483-.?)
Wolfang, Duke of Prussia (b.1487-.?)
Ursula (b.1490-.?)
Elizabeth (b.1457-.?) m George, Duke of Bavaria (b.1455-.?) with issues
Ludwig, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1476-.?)
Elizabeth (b.1479-.?)
Margaret(b.1485-.?)
Barbara (b.1463-.?) m Bogislaw X, Duke of Pomerania (b.1454-.?) with issues
George I, Duke of Pomerania (b. 1478-.?)
Anna (b.1482-.?)
Sigmund II, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1428-.?) m Radegonde de France (b.1428-.?) with issues
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1445-?) m Elizabeth of Bavaria (b.1443-.?) in 1460 with issues
Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1462-?)
Elizabeth (b.1465-.?)
Anna (b. 1469-.?)
Johann, Duke of Slavonia (b.1452-.?) m Barbara of Brandenburg (b.1464-.?) with issues
Karl, Duke of Slavonia (b.1483-.?)
Elizabeth (b.1486-.?)
Elizabeth (b.1454-.?) m Charles I, Duke of Savoy (b. 1454-?) with issues
Charles II, Duke of Savoy (b. 1471-?) m Bianca Maria Sfoza (b.1472-.?)
Yolande Louise (b.1473-.?)
Isabella (b.1476-.?)​
Anna (b.1433-.?) m Louis XI of France (b.1423-.?) in 1450 with issues
Louis XII, King of France (b. 1451-.?) m Margaret of York (b.1448-.?) in 1466 with issues
Charles VIII, King of France (b. 1467-.?)
Louis, Duke of Touraine (b.1471-.?)
Anne (b.1475-.?)
Marie (b.1453-1458)
Jean Duke of Berry (b.1457-.?) m Anne of Savoy (b.1455-?) with issues
Jean Duke of Berry (b.1475-.?)
Anne (b.1479-.?)
Yolande (b.1486-.?)
Anne (b.1460-.?) m John III, King of Castile ** (b. 1461-.?) with issues
Henry VI, King of Castile and Leon (b.1477-.?)
Joanna (b.1479-.?)
Luis Infante of Castile (b.1482-.?)
Isabel(b.1463-.?) m Jean VI, Duke of Brittany (b.1463-.?) with issues
Isabeau (b. 1479-?)
Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b.1481-.?)
Margaret(b.1484-.?)
Jeanne (b.1466-.?) m Edward V of England * (b. 1469-.?) with issues
Richard III of England (b.1485-.?)
Margaret(b.1487-.?)
Anne (b.1491-.?)
Joan (b. 1494-.?)
Catherine(b.1497-.?)
John, Duke of Luxembourg (b.1435-.?) m Catherine of Guelders (b.1437-.?) with issues
John, Duke of Luxembourg (b.1455-.?) m Margaret of Bavaria (b.1456-?) with issues
John, Duke of Luxembourg (b.1474-.?)
Elizabeth (b.1478-.?)
Helen (b.1483-.?)
Elizabeth (b.1460-.?) m John Duke of Cleves (b.1458-.?) with issues
Elizabeth (b.1480-.?)
John Duke of Cleves (b.1484-.?)
Anne (b.1486-.?)
Amalie (b.1491-.?)
Catherine (b.1463-.?) m Albert IV, Duke of Bavaria (b.1447-.?) with issues
William IV, Duke of Bavaria (b.1484-.?)
Sybil (b.1487-.?)
Catherine (b.1491-.?)​
Anna(b.1466-.?) m Frederick I, Margrave of Brandenburg-Ansbach (b.1460-.?) with issues
Frederick II, Margrave of Brandenburg-Ansbach (b.1483-.?) m
Catherine (b.1487-.?)​
Anna (b.1491-.?)​
Catherine (b.1438-.?) m Charles I, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1433-.?) with issues
Philip IV, Duke of Burgundy (b.1455-.?) m Ursula of York (b.1455-?) with issues
Charles II, Duke of Burgundy (b.1471-.?)
Jean (b.1473-.?) m Marie of Luxembourg, Countess of Saint-Paul and Soissons (b. 1472-?)
Catherine (b.1476-.?)
Marie (b.1457-.?) m Nicholas, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1449-?) with issues
John, Duke of Anjou, Duke of Lorraine and Bar, Count of Provence (b.1475-.?)
Isabella (b.1477-.?)
Isabella(b.1462-.?) m Philip, Elector Palatine (b. 1448-.?) with issues
Louis IV, Elector Palatine (b.1478-.?)
Catherine (b.1483-.?)​
Philip(b.1485-.?)​
Ruprecht (b. 1487-?)​
Helena(b.1492-.?)
Margaret (b.1495-.?)
Catherine (b.1462-.1467)
*Son of Edward IV and Margaret I (daughter of Henry VI of England and Margaret of Anjou)​
** Male Joanna of Castile (b.1461-.?)​
***
 
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Another Louis d'Anjou & Elizabeth of Bosnia family tree:

Elizabeth of Bosnia (1339-1387) m. Louis I (1326-1382) King of Hungary and Poland

1) Catherine (1370-1378)

2) Mary (1371-1433) Queen of Hungary, m. Sigismund (1368-1437) King of Bohemia and Hungary, Holy Roman Emperor

1) Elizabeth (1395-1461) m. Albert II (1397-1439) Archduke of Austria, King of Bohemia, Hungary and the Romans 1438​
1) Charles (1416-1423)​
2) Mary (1418-1470) m. Frederick II/III (1412-1464) Elector of Saxony, Holy Roman Emperor [1]​
3) Elizabeth (1419-1477) m. Frederick II (1413-1471) Elector of Brandenburg​
4) Ladislaus (1422-1438)​
5) Charles (1425)​
6) Margaret (1427-1428)​
7) Sigismund II (1432-1456) Archduke of Austria, King of Bohemia and Hungary 1439, m. Hedwig of Poland (1433-1485)​

3) Hedwig (1374-1399) Queen of Poland, m. Vladislaus II Jogaila (ca. 1360-1434) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1) Vladislaus III (1399-1467) King of Poland 1434, m. Adelaide of Pomerania (1410-1445)​
1) Vladislaus IV (1428-1488) King of Poland 1467, m. Catherine of Saxony (1436-1491) [2]​
2) Casimir (1430-1435)​
3) Hedwig (1433-1485) m. Sigismund II (1432-1456) King of Bohemia and Hungary​
4) Casimir (1435-1443)​
5) Adelaide (1437-1441)​
6) Elizabeth (1439)​
7) Adelaide (1442-1447)​
8) Sophia (1444-1502) m. Otto III (1444-1474) Duke of Pomerania-Stettin​
[1] IOTL Frederick Habsburg was elected after Albert II as another member of Habsburg dynasty, but *here* Frederick Wettin is Albert's son-in-law and also has electoral vote, so Elector of Saxony imho is likely candidate to win election.

[2] Daughter of [1]

@Kellan Sullivan @Zygmunt Stary
 
Matilda of England m. Henry V of HRE(a) Geoffrey V of Anjou(b)
1a. Bertha b. 1123 m. Frederick of Swabia[1]
2a. Henry VI b. 1124 m. Matilda of England[2]
3b. Marie of Anjou b. 1133 m. Eustace I of England[3]
4b. Geoffrey VI of Anjou b. 1134
5b. Wiliam of Anjou b. 1136
1. OTL Frederick II Barbarossa.
2. She died IOTL at a young age.
3. Genderflipped Henry II.

@eliamartin65 @isabella
 
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Another Louis d'Anjou & Elizabeth of Bosnia family tree:

Elizabeth of Bosnia (1339-1387) m. Louis I (1326-1382) King of Hungary and Poland

1) Catherine (1370-1378)

2) Mary (1371-1433) Queen of Hungary, m. Sigismund (1368-1437) King of Bohemia and Hungary, Holy Roman Emperor

1) Elizabeth (1395-1461) m. Albert II (1397-1439) Archduke of Austria, King of Bohemia, Hungary and the Romans 1438​
1) Charles (1416-1423)​
2) Mary (1418-1470) m. Frederick II/III (1412-1464) Elector of Saxony, Holy Roman Emperor [1]​
3) Elizabeth (1419-1477) m. Frederick II (1413-1471) Elector of Brandenburg​
4) Ladislaus (1422-1438)​
5) Charles (1425)​
6) Margaret (1427-1428)​
7) Sigismund II (1432-1456) Archduke of Austria, King of Bohemia and Hungary 1439, m. Hedwig of Poland (1433-1485)​

3) Hedwig (1374-1399) Queen of Poland, m. Vladislaus II Jogaila (ca. 1360-1434) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1) Vladislaus III (1399-1467) King of Poland 1434, m. Adelaide of Pomerania (1410-1445)​
1) Vladislaus IV (1428-1488) King of Poland 1467, m. Catherine of Saxony (1436-1491) [2]​
2) Casimir (1430-1435)​
3) Hedwig (1433-1485) m. Sigismund II (1432-1456) King of Bohemia and Hungary​
4) Casimir (1435-1443)​
5) Adelaide (1437-1441)​
6) Elizabeth (1439)​
7) Adelaide (1442-1447)​
8) Sophia (1444-1502) m. Otto III (1444-1474) Duke of Pomerania-Stettin​
[1] IOTL Frederick Habsburg was elected after Albert II as another member of Habsburg dynasty, but *here* Frederick Wettin is Albert's son-in-law and also has electoral vote, so Elector of Saxony imho is likely candidate to win election.

[2] Daughter of [1]

@Kellan Sullivan @Zygmunt Stary
I'm curious, if Sigismund and Mary/Sigismund and Barbara had had a son instead, who would Albrecht marry? Liz of Gorlitz? Or someone else entirely?
 
Elizabeth Tudor (1492-1525) m. Sigismund I of Poland (1467-1548)

1a) Sigismund II of Poland (1516-1588)
2b) Elizabeth of Poland (1520-1590)
3b) Albert of Poland (1525-1577)
 
I'm curious, if Sigismund and Mary/Sigismund and Barbara had had a son instead, who would Albrecht marry? Liz of Gorlitz? Or someone else entirely?



Personally, I am increasingly curious to read a TL where the Italian expedition of John I of Bohemia is successful ( considering that the future Charles IV cut his teeth both militarily and politically in the chaos resulting from the clash between Guelphs and Ghibellines, as well as residing in Lucca and Siena ( a city that seems to return cyclically in the history of the dynasty ) and founding a city that bears his name ( 1 ) it would be very interesting to see what the next Charles would do, with a dynastic possession in the Parmigiano area, especially if the Luxembourgs manage to resist the League of Castelbaldo ( created by Mastino II della Scala in anti-John I function and its allied cities ) and at the same time convince their previous adversaries to join together against the Verona of the Scaligeri ( which in this period was the main aspiring hegemon of northern Italy, which was in full expansion enough to worry its neighbors, who formed a league against it, in 1336, which engaged militarily against Verona until 1339, in which the Luxembourg also participated, but without any possibility of regaining their Italian territories ) because I believe that if the Luxembourgs had maintained some Italian dominions, and had managed to regain the imperial title, I doubt that they would not have taken advantage of this to further tie the peninsula to the imperial government, through a Golden Bull, which sees Parma become an Prince Elector


p.s

1 ) for the occasion these days after my time in hospital, I went to visit the town in question, practically every street in Montecarlo has a statue or painting of him around every corner / square, I also walked in the palace that the Emperor used in his visits
 
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Frederick II of HRE m. Constance of Aragon d. 1220(a) Agnes of France d. 1230[1](b) Isabella of England(c)
1a. Constance of Germany b. 1211[2] m. Bela IV of Hungary
2b. Elizabeth of Germany b. 1226 m. Premysl Ottokar of Bohemia
3b. Conrad IV of Germany b. 1228 d. 1254 m. Elizabeth of Bavaria
4c. Margaret of Germany b. 1240 m. Albert, Landgrave of Thuringia

1. Daughter of Louis VIII and Eleanor of Brittany
2. Henry of Germany is gender bent.
 
Personally, I am increasingly curious to read a TL where the Italian expedition of John I of Bohemia is successful ( considering that the future Charles IV cut his teeth both militarily and politically in the chaos resulting from the clash between Guelphs and Ghibellines, as well as residing in Lucca and Siena ( a city that seems to return cyclically in the history of the dynasty ) and founding a city that bears his name ( 1 ) it would be very interesting to see what the next Charles would do, with a dynastic possession in the Parmigiano area, especially if the Luxembourgs manage to resist the League of Castelbaldo ( created by Mastino II della Scala in anti-John I function and its allied cities ) and at the same time convince their previous adversaries to join together against the Verona of the Scaligeri ( which in this period was the main aspiring hegemon of northern Italy, which was in full expansion enough to worry its neighbors, who formed a league against it, in 1336, which engaged militarily against Verona until 1339, in which the Luxembourg also participated, but without any possibility of regaining their Italian territories ) because I believe that if the Luxembourgs had maintained some Italian dominions, and had managed to regain the imperial title, I doubt that they would not have taken advantage of this to further tie the peninsula to the imperial government, through a Golden Bull, which sees Parma become an Prince Elector


p.s

1 ) for the occasion these days after my time in hospital, I went to visit the town in question, practically every street in Montecarlo has a statue or painting of him around every corner / square, I also walked in the palace that the Emperor used in his visits



Or see Sigy succeed in being crowned Emperor before 1433, in theory in Otl he made two attempts ( one in 1412 and another between the Hussite wars and the second conflict against Venice in defense of the patriarch of Aquileia ) but considering that they would serve 2 important changes compared to Otl : that is, militarily defeating the Hussites and the Serenissima, so as to induce them to negotiate, but at the same time hoping that Sigismund does not decide to immediately undertake a new crusade against the Ottomans ( to avenge Nicopolis, which was a worry of his ) or that he also interferes in the wars of Lombardy, but considering his ability to multiply the crises to be faced, I wouldn't hope for much, but in any case also facing a TL where Henry VII doesn't die in Tuscany immediately after his imperial coronation would be extremely interesting to read
 
POD: Dauphin Charles Orlando lives and Elizabeth Tudor survive past infancy.

King Charles IX of France (1492-1525) m. Elizabeth Tudor "the Matchmaker" (1492-1545)
1. Princess Charlotte (1509-1530) m. King Henri of Navarre (1503-1559)
2. Princess Anne (1510-1544) m. King John of Portugal (1502-1557)
3. Princess Elisabeth (1512-1574) m. King James V (1512-1542)
4. King Francois I (1515-1563) m. Elizabeth of Poland (1519-1559)
5. Prince Charles, Duke of Berry (1518-1560) m. Anna of Cleves (1515-1557).
6. Prince Henri, Duke of Anjou (1521-1549) m. Anne of Lorriane (1525-1568).
 
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Or see Sigy succeed in being crowned Emperor before 1433, in theory in Otl he made two attempts ( one in 1412 and another between the Hussite wars and the second conflict against Venice in defense of the patriarch of Aquileia ) but considering that they would serve 2 important changes compared to Otl : that is, militarily defeating the Hussites and the Serenissima, so as to induce them to negotiate, but at the same time hoping that Sigismund does not decide to immediately undertake a new crusade against the Ottomans ( to avenge Nicopolis, which was a worry of his ) or that he also interferes in the wars of Lombardy, but considering his ability to multiply the crises to be faced, I wouldn't hope for much, but in any case also facing a TL where Henry VII doesn't die in Tuscany immediately after his imperial coronation would be extremely interesting to read
I'd love to make something about this.
 
POD: Dauphin Charles Orlando lives and Elizabeth Tudor survive past infancy.

King Charles IX of France (1492-1525) m. Elizabeth Tudor "the Matchmaker" (1492-1545)
1. Princess Charlotte (1509-1530) m. King Henri of Navarre (1503-1559)
2. Princess Anne (1510-1544) m. King John of Portugal (1502-1557)
3. Princess Elisabeth (1512-1574) m. King James V (1512-1542)
4. King Francois I (1515-1563) m. Isabella of Poland (1519-1559)
5. Prince Charles, Duke of Orleans (1518-1560) m. Anna of Cleves (1515-1557).
6. Prince Henri, Duke of Berry (1521-1549) m. Anne of Lorriane (1522-1568).
Amazing work!

Suggestion: Philip IV and I, Husband of Juana I of castile and aragon, lived until 1530.
 
Elizabeth Tudor (1492-1525) m. Sigismund I of Poland (1467-1548)

1a) Sigismund II of Poland (1516-1588)
2b) Elizabeth of Poland (1520-1590)
3b) Albert of Poland (1525-1577)
England and Scotland have no common interests

Most likely, she would marry Christian II of Denmark, freeing Isabella of Austria to marry Sigmund
 
POD: Dauphin Charles Orlando lives and Elizabeth Tudor survive past infancy.

King Charles IX of France (1492-1525) m. Elizabeth Tudor "the Matchmaker" (1492-1545)
1. Princess Charlotte (1509-1530) m. King Henri of Navarre (1503-1559)
2. Princess Anne (1510-1544) m. King John of Portugal (1502-1557)
3. Princess Elisabeth (1512-1574) m. King James V (1512-1542)
4. King Francois I (1515-1563) m. Isabella of Poland (1519-1559)
5. Prince Charles, Duke of Orleans (1518-1560) m. Anna of Cleves (1515-1557).
6. Prince Henri, Duke of Berry (1521-1549) m. Anne of Lorriane (1522-1568).
No way Prince Charles will get the Orleans title. If OTL Louis XII still die without legitimate sons Francis of Angoulême will get the Orleans title and lands. And I doubt who the OTL Anne of Lorraine and Isabella of Poland will exist in this scenario
 
Sibylle of Brandenburg (b.1467-.1524) m William IV, Duke of Jülich-Berg (b.1455-.1511)


William V, Duke of Jülich-Berg (b.1491-.) m Isabella of Lorraine (b.1494-.)

William VI, Duke of Jülich-Berg (b.1510-.) m Margaret of Brandenburg (b.1511-.) with issues
Sybil (b.1512-.?) m John Frederick I, Elector of Saxony (b.1503-.) in 1526 with issues
Philippa (b.1516-.?) m Wilhelm, Duke of Cleves *(b.1516-.?) in 1532 with issues
Isabella (b.1518-.?) m Bernard IV, Margrave of Baden-Durlach (b.1517-.) with issues







*Son of John, Duke of Cleves and Anna of Saxony (b. 1500) (daughter of George, Duke of Saxony and Barbara of Poland).
 
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POD: Gender swap of Louis of France and Anne of Brittany's children.

King Louis XII (1462-1515) m. Anne, Duchess of Brittany (1477-1514)

1. King Claude I "the Ugly" "the Hunchback" "the Good" "the Knight-King" "the Golden" of France (1499-1564) m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558).
1. Dauphin Louis (1518-1521).​
2. Dauphin Francois of France (1519-1559) m. Catherine of England (1518-1558).​
1. King Claude II of France (1536-1579) m. Barbara of Austria (1539-1572).​
3. Princess Marie (1520-1524).​
4. Princess Charles, Duke of Berry (1522-1544) m. Anne of Lorraine (1524-1568)​
5. Princess Anne (1523-1574) m. King James IV (1512-1542).​
6. Prince Louis, Duke of Anjou (1525-1557).​
7. Princess Claude Eleanor (1531-1577).​
2. Francois, Duke of Orleans and Brittany "The Heretic" (1510-1574) m. Isabella of Navarre (1512-1560).
1. Anne (1531-1607).​
2. Claude, Duke of Orleans and Brittany (1533-1597).​
3. Francois (1535-1598).​
4. Isabel (1537-1581).​
5. Louis (1538-1586).​
Claude's enemies love to deride him for his appearance but once he ascended the throne, he proved himself to be a capable and good ruler. The only blight on his reign was him turning a blind eye to his brother's rising Calvinist leanings which caused the TL wars of religion after his death. His grandson, Claude, was less tolerant. His daughter in law is either the OTL stillborn daughter of Katherine and Henry or the youngest daughter of KOA and Arthur, you decide.​
 
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No way Prince Charles will get the Orleans title. If OTL Louis XII still die without legitimate sons Francis of Angoulême will get the Orleans title and lands. And I doubt who the OTL Anne of Lorraine and Isabella of Poland will exist in this scenario
The Orleans part was an oversight. As for Isabel and Anne, they are different versions of them, not the same partenting but still children of their respective fathers.
 
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