Sequel de Mayo (Cinco de Mayo, Vol. II)
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Looking forward to Lanier University being founded iTTL! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanier_University . I mean it might not actually have a campus, but might merely represent a group distilling the concept of the Great Resistance!
Since the law of free birth and a ban on reslavement (vague it may be) passed, the slow withdrawal suggests that Lodge and Root may be content with it and edging towards recognition. The Confederates however, I think will be too occupied to deal about texan question in the immediate future.
I hope the next update would be about how the US Army manages the occupation.
Well, Nathan Bedford Forrest II certainly is going to start a shitstorm of epic proportions...
But I think it will be Andrew Mellon's Deflationary Shenaingans.
Is the Elihu Root term going to be like Warren G Harding's term/Cabinet, 4 years earlier and by like, 100 in terms of corruption?
@KingSweden24
One thing I have given some thought to is how Action Francaise developed ideologically in the Cincoverse relative to OTL. I'd imagine that their ideological program is broadly identical/similar, though I'm guessing they are more generically monarchist, and not Orleanist. From what has been revealed, they are also anti-parliamentary as per OTL, though I wonder if the corporatist underpinnings of Integralism (the whole organic organisation of the nation socio-economically) have changed at all. Also in OTL national syndicalism which morphed into fascism in Italy arose from French syndicalists around Georges Sorel interacting with integral nationalists of AF around their broad opposition to democracy. I wonder if any form of national syndicalism has developed in the same or similar manner TTL?
Way too many
You’re too kind!
We’ll be getting there soon
Root’s Cabonet won’t be as corrupt as Harding’s, but it’ll be quite a bit more inept, with the exception of Stimson
Agreed with your take on the Orleanist equation.
Syndicalism probably hasn’t taken root enough yet for a nationalist version of it to emerge, at least not now
Ah yes, Pershings VP or successor, I guess...
Actually, he'd be 73 in 1940. Nope.....or maybe he is Pershing's predecessor...
*SPECULATION INTENSIFIES*
Since all presidents between Root and Pershing are Democrats, it's only possible if Stimson switches parties. Which, I mean, I guess IOTL he did serve in the FDR and Truman administrations, for whatever that's worth.
In the likelier case he stays a Liberal, I honestly could see him as president in the late 30's? After all, there's no guarantee Pershing runs again in 1936 (when he would be 75)...
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Ggddaano
Banned
Sure, why not. He is an entertaining president to throw in there since he was so handily defeated by FDR IRL.
Don't think I've seen a timeline where he gets used properly.
Good points
I haven't posted any of them but the Olympics iTTL are on the n+2 schedule (as in, same years as FIFA World Cups OTL)
Burning Punjab
"...Canadians had established themselves as the brave but brutal tip of the Empire's sphere; the 1st Canadian Regiment had distinguished itself with dozens of Victoria Crosses at Amritsar and Faisalabad and had in some ways broken the rebellion through their decisive tactics there. It was thus no surprise that the elite "Highlander Guard" of Canadian mountaineers were dispatched into Peshawar for mop-up operations and that it was them who, alongside the talented Peshawar Lancers, found V.G. Pringle and Kartar Singh Sarabha at a rebel camp about ten kilometers south of Kohat. In the space of forty minutes, the firefight between the Highlander Guard and the clique of Ghadarites saw six Canadians killed and a hundred rebels slain, including both Sarabha and Pringle; it was the most successful decapitation exercise of the war, leaving two of the most talented field commanders of the Mutiny dead and securing most of southern Peshawar for London.
The Battle of Kohat on April 2, 1917 is often marked as an unofficial conclusion to the Mutiny. Hundreds of thousands lay dead, the majority Punjabi, and tens of thousands of Ghadarites had fled India into Afghanistan, Tibet and Persia, often to form terror cells from which to strike the Raj but many others to go into exile, particularly in China (such as Bai Bhagwan Singh) or Japan (Jatin Mukherjee). Twenty-five thousand soldiers from around the Empire, in particular Australians, had also died alongside members of the Indian Army and left villages burnt, cities gutted and the economy of Punjab in tatters, but had prevented India as a whole from detonating into mass rebellion.
There were a variety of reasons in hindsight why Ghadar had failed, beyond the miscommunication on February 25, 1915 that had led to fatal delays in Bengal. Ghadar had small numbers and only a fraction of those involved in the party were willing to take up arms; many of their soldiers had had no part in its planning, and simply came late to the cause once the British had gotten off their back heels. The bigger issue in later analysis, in particular from Subhas Chandra Bose, was that Ghadar was too intellectual of a project, too specific to Punjab despite its efforts to attract Bengalis such as Mukherjee, and too dependent on financing and inspiration from overseas, with so much of its leadership in Canton, Tokyo or even the North American West Coast.
Nonetheless, India had changed forever. Ghadar had marked the most substantial threat to British rule in six decades and unlike the 1857 Mutiny never really ended. Revolutionary armies may have been defeated straight up in Punjab and Peshawar, but smaller cells had embedded themselves across Bengal, the Northwest and Burma with close proximity to Chinese paramilitaries associated with the Guomindang and other radical organizations that had Canton as their Piedmont. Kohat was an important propaganda coup for Kitchener but it could not undo the considerable tensions across the Raj and the sharp decline in trust that most Indians now had for British administration, which had never been held in as high of regard as before the disaster of the 1898-99 plague. London did not entirely believe that Kohat had ended the rebellion and demanded Kitchener maintain the state of emergency in India in perpetuity, and it would not be until the summer of 1918, over a year after Kohat, that certain restrictions such as curfews and the ban on passenger rail travel were lifted. The state of emergency absolutely crushed the Indian economy, too; the number of Indians in poverty nearly doubled between 1915-19 after years of gradually improving economic conditions in the Raj, which was already treated as a closed market for British goods as it was.
Accordingly, the Mutiny may have been over - but the scars would last for years to come, and the seeds had been sown for India's eventual casting off of the British..."
- Burning Punjab
The Battle of Kohat on April 2, 1917 is often marked as an unofficial conclusion to the Mutiny. Hundreds of thousands lay dead, the majority Punjabi, and tens of thousands of Ghadarites had fled India into Afghanistan, Tibet and Persia, often to form terror cells from which to strike the Raj but many others to go into exile, particularly in China (such as Bai Bhagwan Singh) or Japan (Jatin Mukherjee). Twenty-five thousand soldiers from around the Empire, in particular Australians, had also died alongside members of the Indian Army and left villages burnt, cities gutted and the economy of Punjab in tatters, but had prevented India as a whole from detonating into mass rebellion.
There were a variety of reasons in hindsight why Ghadar had failed, beyond the miscommunication on February 25, 1915 that had led to fatal delays in Bengal. Ghadar had small numbers and only a fraction of those involved in the party were willing to take up arms; many of their soldiers had had no part in its planning, and simply came late to the cause once the British had gotten off their back heels. The bigger issue in later analysis, in particular from Subhas Chandra Bose, was that Ghadar was too intellectual of a project, too specific to Punjab despite its efforts to attract Bengalis such as Mukherjee, and too dependent on financing and inspiration from overseas, with so much of its leadership in Canton, Tokyo or even the North American West Coast.
Nonetheless, India had changed forever. Ghadar had marked the most substantial threat to British rule in six decades and unlike the 1857 Mutiny never really ended. Revolutionary armies may have been defeated straight up in Punjab and Peshawar, but smaller cells had embedded themselves across Bengal, the Northwest and Burma with close proximity to Chinese paramilitaries associated with the Guomindang and other radical organizations that had Canton as their Piedmont. Kohat was an important propaganda coup for Kitchener but it could not undo the considerable tensions across the Raj and the sharp decline in trust that most Indians now had for British administration, which had never been held in as high of regard as before the disaster of the 1898-99 plague. London did not entirely believe that Kohat had ended the rebellion and demanded Kitchener maintain the state of emergency in India in perpetuity, and it would not be until the summer of 1918, over a year after Kohat, that certain restrictions such as curfews and the ban on passenger rail travel were lifted. The state of emergency absolutely crushed the Indian economy, too; the number of Indians in poverty nearly doubled between 1915-19 after years of gradually improving economic conditions in the Raj, which was already treated as a closed market for British goods as it was.
Accordingly, the Mutiny may have been over - but the scars would last for years to come, and the seeds had been sown for India's eventual casting off of the British..."
- Burning Punjab
Feels like Canada's entire gimmick in this timeline is "no, we're the real heirs to Britain's Anglo-Saxon heritage, our cousins from Great Britain are softies who've gone astray and forgotten where they came from."
Ggddaano
Banned
This is one TL that used him to SOME extent: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-war-1937-1944-by-ephraim-ben-raphael.399623/