Trying to Please Everyone: Or Converting multiple Pop Culture Utopias into a Timeline.
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What happens to these other 80s films in this timeline?
- E.T. The Extra Terrestrial (1982)
- Red Dawn (1984)
- Sixteen Candles (1984)
- Short Circuit (1986)
- Ferris Bueller’s Day Off (1986)
Exists as NightSkies which fuses it and Close Encounters along with throwing in evil aliens.
Called Ten Soldiers and not directed by Milius. Instead he a smaller anti war movie about China invading the US due to butterflies.
Delayed as Hughes directed Mr.Mom(his idea) and then Breakfast Club first.
Still exists though the sequel does not.
Still exists.
Great stuff!
So are the Human characters all different or are they incorporated in some form? Does E.T. himself still exist?
Interesting considering how America treated Asian people back during in the 1980s.
I presume all the controversial stuff regarding date raping, the f slur, and Asian stereotyping isn’t present in this version of the film?
That’s good to know, and I also presume that there’s no Indian brown face in the movie aswell?
Nice stuff. It’s a shame about what happened though regarding Matthew Broderick and then later on Jeffrey Jones.
Incorporated in some form including E. T. The plot involves a family, bringing in Poltergeist as well.
As a side effect of John Hughes directing.
No.
Two little concepts i came up with:
Cartoon Network fails to pick the first Cartoon Cartoon:
Cartoon Network tried to pick a show to approve in early 1995, but failed miserably and couldn't choose. In the end, both Dexter and Powerpuff Girls would be picked up at the same time, and have their premieres aimed for the same day.
That day was April 28th, 1996, to compete with Raging Abe Simpson and his Grumbling Grandson in the Curse of the Flying Hellfish.
They did not beat that Simpsons episode, but ratings would be high. The two shows would ultimately make up a one-hour block named the 'Toonzone' on sundays.
Thomas with a much, much bigger budget:
The budget was much bigger, allowing for the arlesdale and culdee railways to appear in the model era.
This also affected the roster of staff-created characters, resulting in characters like Stanley, Rosie, Molly, Neville, Whiff, Charlie and Billy, Porter and Ryan appearing before HIT even buys the series, which likely didn't need to be sold to them.
Emily, Lady, Spencer, Salty, Arthur, Elizabeth and Fergus also appear early.
Cartoon Network fails to pick the first Cartoon Cartoon:
Cartoon Network tried to pick a show to approve in early 1995, but failed miserably and couldn't choose. In the end, both Dexter and Powerpuff Girls would be picked up at the same time, and have their premieres aimed for the same day.
That day was April 28th, 1996, to compete with Raging Abe Simpson and his Grumbling Grandson in the Curse of the Flying Hellfish.
They did not beat that Simpsons episode, but ratings would be high. The two shows would ultimately make up a one-hour block named the 'Toonzone' on sundays.
Thomas with a much, much bigger budget:
The budget was much bigger, allowing for the arlesdale and culdee railways to appear in the model era.
This also affected the roster of staff-created characters, resulting in characters like Stanley, Rosie, Molly, Neville, Whiff, Charlie and Billy, Porter and Ryan appearing before HIT even buys the series, which likely didn't need to be sold to them.
Emily, Lady, Spencer, Salty, Arthur, Elizabeth and Fergus also appear early.
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I'll cover The Railway Series butterflies later but I was already planning on an Early Powerpuff Girls.
It will not though there likely would be a similar substitute. Rick Astley was making a career comeback prior to the meme anyway so that still happens.
Well Originally it was by request but I got too many. I've since switched to going genre by genre and started on Anime(Alphabetical) and have been going year by year, currently working on 1992 in Anime. It helps me keep track of butterflies better such as if a movie that inspired something else never existed, a creator is busy and so on. As such the "Year in Anime" posts can be considered current canon with a few individual posts for more notable works, such as two unmade Miyazaki movies and when a plot is completely different, warranting a deeper dive into it.
What are the different changes for some Hanna barbera shows like Jonny quest, scooby doo, the Flintstones, the Jetsons and space ghost coast to coast?
Jonny Quest is instead Jack Armstrong. The equivalent to "The New Adventures" follows older versions of the characters as "Dr.Armstrong" and new characters. It got a more dramatic reboot in the 90's. A Live Action movie by Robert Rodriquez. The characters as is also appear on Venture Bros.
There are significantly less shows with Scrappy Doo never existing. Though 13 Ghosts concluded, Laff-Alympics uses established Hannah Barbera villains rather than original ones. Shaggy and Scooby Doo get a Clue doesn't exist. Mystery Incorporated or something close in tone to it exists. James Gunn directed a trilogy of live action Scooby Doo Comedy- Horror films in the 2000s as part of an effort to push a Hannah Barbera cinematic universe(might actually replace Mystery Incorporated). Velma does not exist. It was pitched but shot down. Also the HBCU existing shoots down Scoob! which was an attempt at just that.
Known as the Flagstones and in addition to never promoting cigarettes, still had live action films and a remake which is basically TTL's Family Guy as Larry and Steve was made. Its a bit better written and has the darkly satirical bent as the later comics... you know the one where the memetic line from Fred. "We participated in a Genocide Barn." Comes from(They wiped out a rival tribe yesterday and Bedrock was built over their bones the next day).
Morey Amsterdam and Pat Caroll play George and Jane Jetson.It had a 1974 sequel set ten years later. It has a Paramount film which competed and ironically crssed over with Universal's Flagstones film, turning the Rock Vegas Movie into a Back to the Future style plot to make sure Fred and Wilma get together or the Jetsons won't exist as they are related. There's no animated film ITTL. A Live action film produced by Rodrigues at least(was in the works) exists.
Still exists.
What happens to George A. Romero and his works ITTL? What is the zombie genre as a whole like ITTL?
Romero’s career is more varied ITTL. Mostly it has three main franchises, The Of the Dead series, Stephen King Adaptations(due to their friendship) and Resident Evil.
Night of the Living Dead(1968)
Whine of the Fawn(1971)-Medieval Period Piece he wanted to make his first film.
The Footage(1973)-He really wanted to make a movie about Bigfoot.
Gunperson(1973)-A Western with an all female cast.
The Power(1975)-A TV Series that's basically the Godfather with Vampires.
Monster Movie(1977)-A Tribute to 50's Monster Movies starring the Pittsbugh Steelers(yes he really wanted to do that).
Dawn of the Dead(1978)
Salem's Lot(1981)
Creepshow(1982)
Pet Semetary(1985)
The War of the Worlds: The Night They Came(1987)
Day of the Dead(1988)
The Stand(1990)
It(1993)-Was a TV Miniseries.
Welcome to the Dead House(1998)-An Adaptation of the First GooseBumps book. Tone is similar to Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. It's pretty terrifying while pushing the PG-13 rating.
The Mummy(1999)-Produced with Clive Barker directing. A direct Horror Film rather than OTL's action adventure film and series, though Brendan Frasier will have another role to take the place of him not starring in TTL's The Mummy series.
Resident Evil(2000)-Based on an OTL script more faithful to the games Romero wrote, which takes the plot of the first game.
Resident Evil 2(2002)-Based on the Second Game.
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon(2005)
From a Buick 8(2007)-Both this and the above are Stephen King Adaptations.
Resident Evil 3(2009)- Based largely on the Fourth Game with Elements of other Games like the inclusion of Nemesis and the characters from the first two films, though Las Plagas and the T-Virus are not the same in this case though both Umbrella experiments. This is largely so that Romero could wrap it up as a trilogy.
The Dark Tower(2010)-Last Film he Directed before retiring with other Directors picking it up, though he remained a Producer until his Death and since he directed so Many King adaptations, the film references those films specifically.
The Zombie Genre as a whole had its heyday in the 2010's as The Walking Dead was released but ended much sooner with no spinoffs while the Film World War Z was more faithful to the book. Nowadays somewhat like OTL, a Zombie property needs to do something unique and different to stand out as with Train to Busan's dogpiling Zombies or The Last of Us Cortyceps(The latter was released as a Film with Mark Wahlberg and Maisee Williams around 2014 or so). There's also a bit of a slow film about Bryan Cranston and Tilda Swinton as an elderly couple finding and raising an abandoned baby during the Zombie Apocalypse(Not based on anything specific I just had a Dream where that was a film once and I'd thought I'd share though its probably closest to The Dead Don't Die).
Codename: Sailor V(1992-1997)
Codename: Sailor V(1992-1997)
Based on the 1991 Manga by Naoko Takeuchi, which ran from 1991 to 1997, concurrently with the Anime adaptation.
Season One(1992-1993)
The series follows the 13 year old middle school student Minako Aino, who encounters a talking white cat with a crescent moon shape on its forehead. The Cat reveals that Minako has the ability to transform into a warrior of justice dubbed Sailor V, who is a defender from the planet Venus. She is given a crescent moon shaped compact disc and magical pen to transform. The transformation makes her unrecognizable though just about anyone perceives her as beautiful. She battled the Dark Agency. An evil organization posing as an Idol talent agency, led by the villain Danburite, who is secretly her boyfriend. Minako has several adventures, including becoming popular in universe when she appears on TV, bringing her closer to the Idol Agency cover. She also discovers that there are other Guardians from other planets that have yet to be awoken on Earth and goes out to search for them[1]
The Other Guardians included the Cyborg Ami Mizuno(Sailor Mercury), hotheaded Miyabi Yoruno(Sailor Mars), tomboyish gang leader Mamoru Chino(Sailor Jupiter) and the ditzy Usagi Tsukino(Sailor Moon)[2]. Sailor Moon became the most popular of these new characters. Her popularity was such that she was made the Mascot for Japan’s Lunar program, a role similar to how Snoopy is the Mascot for NASA’s Apollo mission. Her image was often painted on the Spacecrafts. Ami Mizuno was also popular to the extent where she basically replaced the “SurReigate” due to her similarities in design to the character of Rei while remaining unique in her own right to the extent that she became more popular. A common legend is the other Sailor Scouts are based on the members of CLAMP.
The new villain became Queen Beryl of the Dark Kingdom. It is revealed that she was responsible for killing the Sailor Guardians in a previous life, destroying the Silver Millennium Empire which spanned the Solar System, leading to the Sailor Guardians being reincarnated and now seeks to revive Queen Metaria, who was imprisoned by Tsukino’s mother. In the ruins of the Moon Kingdom they found “Diana the Moon Fairy” who became a sidekick to the team. They track down the base of the Dark Kingdom to stop Queen Beryl from reviving Queen Metaria. In a final battle, all the Sailor guardians are killed except for Usagi and Minako, who also die but succeed in killing Queen Beryl and destroying Queen Metaria. The series ends with the reveal that Usagi was able to use magic to wish everyone would be reincarnated, which they are shown to have been in the epilogue, this time with their memories, As a result they return to Space and begin rebuilding the Silver Millennium including Usagi being crowned as Queen Serenity.
Season Two(1993-1994)
Season Two, adapting another arc, introduces Chibiusa, later revealed to the daughter of Usagi and her love interest Mamoru, the vigilante Tuxedo Mask[3]. Chibiusa tries to travel back in time to prevent the Death of the Guardians at the end of the first season as if they survived they would be strong enough to defeat the Black Moon Clan, which in her native time killed most of the Guardians while they were still recovering. The Guardians are warned by Sailor Pluto, who is in charge of time and was apparently exiled(possibly a jab at Pluto no longer being considered a planet) about Chibiusa but obscure her intentions as “Preventing your resurrection”(which is technically true). As a result, in the confusion, the Guardians end up preventing their own resurrection in the confusion. This leads into the first of two crossovers this season. The first was with YuYu-Ki, thanks to Yoshihiro Togashi being the husband to Naoko Takeuchi, both marrying in 1992 the same year YuYu-Ki[4] and Codename: Sailor V came out. Yusuke and friends helps the Sailor Senshi travel through the spirit world and battle Queen Metaria and Queen Beryl to secure their own reincarnations. This established the two as sharing a universe. Thanks to this connection, strings were occasionally pulled to Get Sailor V characters into Shonen media such as cameos, Video Games as guest characters, and even in 1999’s Jump World II, though these appearances are few and far between as Shonen has to pay royalties each time. Their Appearance in Jump World II was accepted because the series was deemed “An icon of 90’s Anime” which warranted inclusion in an event celebrating the decade.
Clip from the Codename Sailor V/YuYu-Ki Crossover(Actually fanart from user tam0804).
Though the Sailor Senshi are still reincarnated, they still have to contend with the Black Moon Clan. Chibiusa, meanwhile succeeded and created an alternate future where the Senshi never died and trained to become stronger for the battle only to all be killed by the Black Moon Clan. While this breaks Chibiusa, mentally. The Sailor Senshi then learn there may be other warriors out there, which results in a crossover with Rintaro of the Galaxy by Masami Kurumada[5], as the warriors are revealed to be “The Saints” interstellar former warriors of the Silver Millennium. Unlike the Senshi they are usually male and are named after constellations. These warriors then helped face off against the army of the Black Moon Clan while the Sailor Senshi deliver the final blow.
Season Three(1994-1995)
Season Three introduces the Death Busters as the new villains who summon Monsters to attack the Sailor Scouts. They are searching for a dormant being called Mistress 9, who is revealed to be trapped in the body of a young girl named Hotaru that Chibiusa befriends. Mistress 9 is revived and attempts to revive her even stronger husband Pharaoh 90. The arc also introduces Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune, who are in a gay relationship(something which was unchanged in dubs, despite some moves to censor it). The threat is ended and Chibiusa decides to stay in the past a bit longer.
Season Four(1995-1996)
The next antagonist is the Dead Moon Circus, which are capable of entering and consuming dreams. Their plot is to release their arrogant leader Queen Nehelenia, who was sealed in a mirror.
Season Five(1996-1997)
The Finale, Sailor Galaxia revives several previously dead enemies from the previous seasons. The Sailor Scouts meanwhile had drifted apart, moving to other countries and in Chibiusa’s case returning to their own time. They are called back together to deal with the villains forming their new team. In the resulting battle, known as the Sailor Wars, many are killed. Sailor Galaxia’s origin is revealed to have once been a hero but was corrupted by the entity Chaos in an attempt to stop the corruption from spreading. Despite wishes for Sailor Venus to just kill Galaxia, she instead finds a way to destroy the evil, those reforming Galaxia, who proves powerful enough to undo the deaths. The series therefore ends peacefully with the world celebrating, and a jump forward to Chibiusa’s time.
Dubs
The Series has two US dubs due to a bidding war at the time as it was extremely popular in the US. Saban Entertainment attempted to get the rights but failed to win over Toei with their pitch. Disney got the rights and released the series as close as possible to the original (despite getting backlash from several parents whose children were traumatized by the violent deaths of the Sailor Senshi at the end of the first season in a watershed moment for children's programming, and some complaints about Sailors Uranus and Neptune being lesbians). Saban however, refused to back down and created their own blatant ripoff in the infamous “Sailor Moon” often nicknamed “Saban Moon” by fans, which only had one season in 1994 and was hit by a cease and desist by Disney, who believed it sullied the original show[6]. Another reason was Disney was considering making a Live Action Codename Sailor V film and looking for Geena Davis to play Queen Beryl and possibly with the likes of Winona Ryder and Elizabeth Shue playing the Senshi[7].
Another bidder, Cartoon Network, after losing the rights, approved a pitch from Lauren Faust titled Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls, on account of the similar concept of having girls personifying planets[8], which became a cash cow franchise thanks to the toys based on the series proving to be popular.
The Characters of "Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls"
NOTES
[1] Like with Dragonboy this is a case of what if the Prototype was greenlit for a Show. In this case however, Codename: Sailor V works as a prequel to Sailor Moon pretty smoothly as the exploits of Sailor Venus before she met Sailor Moon.
[2] Changes to the Scouts beyond their less uniform outfits include Ami being a cyborg as planned, which according to TV Tropes, The Rei Ayanami Expy would have been the Sailor Mercury expy. Makoto is Mamoru instead. Rei is Miyabi(justified if Alcion has already popularized a "Rei").
[3]DragonMan also used this plot but the connection is somewhat reversed. OTL Dragonball the time traveller is the child of two supporting characters and in Sailor Moon it is the child of the protagonist and their love interest. ITTL DragonMan has the child of the protagonist and their love interest travel back while Sailor V has the child of two supporting characters travel back.
Sailor Moon: Everything's great until your child from the future comes back and ruins your plans.
Vegeta: I know the feeling.
-Ask an Anime Character Panel, OTL. Paraphrased.
[4] YuYu-Ki was the original title for YuYu Hakusho but an obscure manga had a similar name in Chin-Yu-Ki. It changed to YuYu Hakusho, which means Poltergeist Report while YuYu-Ki means Poltergeist Chronicles. Characters from both franchises had cameo'd in each other due to the two creators being married.
[5] Saint Seiya was originally conceived by its creator as a Karate Kid style series. As a result his next work Rintaro of the Galaxy, will be the closer equivalent to Saint Seiya and the Space theme allowed it to merge with Codename: Sailor V. I originally has Sailor Moon's creator and Saint Seiya's creator get together, resulting in a hybrid franchise of both, but Seiya creator Masami Kurumada is more than a decade older than Sailor Moon's creator Naoko Takeuchi, who is only one year older than her OTL Husband so that was dropped but the franchises are still similar enough to crossover.
[6] The Infamous DiC dub doesn't exist ITTL but this "Saban Moon" takes its place and is even worse.
[7] An OTL plan. It fell through as Disney hoped to get the Director who made the live action Mr.Magoo movie to direct it, then that flopped hard and DiC pulled out of the deal.
[8]Originally conceived by Lauren Faust, who pitched it but was rejected several times due to companies believing "Animation wasn't for Girls." despite several shows to the contrary including The Powerpuff Girls. She ended up making My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic as a result of this idea not coming into existence. Here it's pitched earlier due to the Catch 22 of the series would likely be seen as a Sailor Moon ripoff in a world where that show's equivalent was more successful, so here its leaned into and finds its own identity. It also helps cushion the fact that ITTL The Powerpuff Girls equivalent is The Whoopass Girls, who lean more towards older audiences, leading Galaxy Girls to somewhat fill that void.
If you do a threadmark about yuyu-ki next will it stop at the sensui arc or will you try to fix the three kings arc into something that's not a dark tournament rehash? Or will you create a new final arc that details how Yusuke and friends all fight the corrupt king enma?
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I did start writing it out and but just in 1992 in anime. I couldn’t expand it into its own post. I could however make those changes.
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Didn’t Romero talk about a Frankenstein adaptation in the 1980,s ?
Does he get a bigger budget for Day of the dead ?
I am disappointed he does not do The Crazies .
Didn’t Romero talk about a Frankenstein adaptation in the 1980,s ?
Does he get a bigger budget for Day of the dead ?
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